Building the Buc-ee’s of Wiffle Ball: Inside the Wild Mind of Nathan Ensminger | Ep2

You look great. I like your, uh, that looks like a baseball tee. Yeah, it kind of is. It's comfortable for this time of year. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. Sound good. Awesome. Well, welcome on Nathan. Appreciate you coming to hang out. Well, thanks for having me. I know you love attention being on camera. Yeah, I love it. Yeah. Well, we're just going to hang out and, uh, anything goes. So if you're good with that, I might ask some really hard questions that are pretty personal. That'd be great. Buckle up. I love that. It's my favorite. All right, guys. Uh, welcome to the killer growth podcast. I've got Nathan in sminger on here today. Uh, going to hear a little bit about his story and learn a little bit more about the nicest whiffle ball, whiffle ball, the nicest whiffle ball stadium. I believe in the world based on my research. I've not, I've not found a better one, but we'll talk about that in a little bit. Um, so Nathan, let's go backstory. We'll just, we'll go real easy. Uh, did you go to college? I went to, uh, Butler for a brief stint. And then I went to, I did that too. Yeah. So, um, then I went to, I, I went back to work for a while and then I went to, uh, Washburn and did drafting and design there and got my associates. And then I went back to work. I just enjoy working. So yeah, it's tough for me in the college stance. So classroom settings, not for everybody. It's not for me. It wasn't for me. No, I'd rather be swinging a hammer or doing something activity to be moving along. And I do most of my research kind of on the run in a sense to be able to sit down and focus for a long time gets me. Is that why I always see you running down main street looking at your phone? Yeah, probably. Um, I just, I just never really did well in a class setting. Um, but anything like a shop or just being around older guys doing, you know, learning stall and cabinets and on the fly, uh, that kind of stuff. I've learned a lot that way. And I had a really great teacher. Um, my first real job was construction. Uh, my cousin, uh, Mike Sanders. Um, I was working for him and uh, first day I show up, I, I come, he's like, we're downstairs. Well, the downstairs didn't exist before this. So this is a hundred plus year old house built in. I think it was a water tower house is what they were calling it. I can't really think of why shape or was there a lot of water? And I think it was purpose of it. Um, it was right next to the Arkansas river. It was built in 18 late 18 hundreds. And he was down there with a skid steer digging a basement out underneath it. So with, you know, like the house was there, he was going under. Yeah. And this was a three story house and Riverside area. So he was, he was having me there to assist him on it. And it's pretty much thrown to the fire on that deal. I mean, boards creaking above you, skid steer running around, you know, the diesel smoke in your face. And, um, we're, we're sitting there under the bridging. And then basically we did new modern foundation underneath it and created a walkout basement. Um, from what I know about you, that kind of like makes, everything kind of makes sense about you now. Cause like that's wild. That's kind of like your, yeah, that's how entry to the construction world. Then that was, that was everything else was easy. Yeah. I mean, when growing up there was a lot of construction going on in our family and like we had a house that was termite infested and, and all the walls were ripped out or had to be ripped out and stuff like that. Kind of young age. And my parents, you know, my dad wore a tool belt, um, you know, a lot of times it was holding a beer, um, while he drove the lawnmower and stuff. But at the same time, he was always fixing stuff around the house. And, and, uh, I just grew up in that atmosphere. We rebuilt old cars and that kind of stuff. But when I worked with Mike, the thing that I liked best about it, other than, you know, you were figuring out, finding out new things all the time. It was new experiences, but it was more about educating. Why instead of how, and once you start understanding the why of, of why am I doing this? Why am I staggering my joints? Why am I, you know, uh, my flashing, why does this shed water better this direction and so on? It, it adds to new elements or, or you can take it to different elements in construction and then you start building. And once you understand it, then you, you got more to your arsenal and then you can basically it's, it's like you've done things that you've never done before that sense. Interesting. So you just knowing the how doesn't really teach you much. You've got one thing figured out. Yep. Pretty much. That's good. There's a lot of lessons in there. Uh, speaking of the why, so you're in construction, um, with Heartland, Heartland home improvements in Wichita. Yeah. And your role there is I do, uh, well, I'm designer project management. Um, basically I take on a new leads and I'll meet with the homeowners to find out, uh, what they're wanting to change on their project and then work with them, going through design, figuring out the form of, you know, for what they're, they're wanting to do with what they've got and then, uh, creating three-dimensional renderings, um, so they can visualize it. And then we take that and turn it into the project. And that way they, they know exactly what they're getting into. And, uh, well, not always what they're getting into, but what it's going to look like when it's done. Yeah. So you're in the remodel world of construction, right? That's not all we do is remodel. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. So you, uh, based on everything you just said, and I've seen your 3d renderings, you're very talented artist. Um, when it comes to structural design, what would the architectural design, I don't, what would be the right term for that? Well, architectural, uh, basically, I mean, it's, it's residential that I'm, I'm working on most of the time, uh, do a little bit of commercial, but architectural, I think the biggest difference is, uh, there's a level of education that you have to reach to become an architect. Sure. So mine doesn't reach that level or engineering. So mine's design. And then I work with engineers and architects after that to, uh, verify what the design is and, and so on. And I think I'm trying to get to like, like you at your core, what you're the best at. And I would say it's on the design side of not just being able to design something, but you also know how to make it happen back to the like, yeah, why, why it all works. Um, cause I've seen a lot of what you've done. Uh, and that, that part's kind of cool. I think that you're on both sides, you're not just designing and then someone else is figuring it out. You're able to do both sides. Would you agree with that? Yeah, I think that's, that's probably what makes what I do a little bit more unique or, or unique, but I work with a lot of people that can do a lot of things. And you know, like my, the owner of Heartland Home Improvements, uh, um, he's great in the office. He's a psychologist or went to school for not, he's not a psychologist, but he's, he went to school for a completely different, uh, trait. Uh, I can't even think what it is, right. Uh, socio, sociological work or I can't say it, but anyway, he, he's great with, uh, anything like that. But he, um, he's out swinging a hammer today. Um, just, you know, but he's really great in the office and can do pricing and everything and get details really well. Uh, but you know, it's, it's one of those things, I guess when, when you're kind of pushed into certain things, you just find out how much you can do. And there's, there's challenges. I think one of my challenges is probably, um, working, not, I wouldn't say working with others, um, but directing others. Um, because I have a level expectation that I want to see done. And sometimes I find myself just doing it instead of going through the explanation and so on. And it, and it really depends. Like at work, it's a little bit different because the goal with that is we're doing repetitive chores or jobs that we're going to have to know how to do to progress period. And that's easy. But when you're doing a one-off project that you don't know if you'll ever do again, it's hard to sit there and explain to somebody or to delegate out. Yes, it really is. Yeah. And like, like I was the jumbotron that we're putting in, not the stadium and stuff like that. Like figuring out how to do that for the first time with no instructions and everything else is a, is a large enough task, let alone trying to then delegate to somebody else, how to do all the other components as well. So, because if you had someone else do it, it could catch fire. Something could go wrong. Yes. Or if I do it, it could go wrong, but it's just that time. If you only have so much time, it's just tough to explain it and go through all the steps of it. Take me through that. So we were talking about that prior just to bring them in, but you're putting up this massive jump jumbotron in the stadium. Yeah. You were moving it from one 20 to or one 10 to two 20. Yes. So it'd be more efficient. Yeah. So, so it comes standard with a regular outlet and then we converted it over to two 20 and, um, I had the electrician run two 20 to that wall for that reason. So it was either going to be eight circuits of one 10 or four circuits of two 20, 20 amp. And that's more efficient to run it that way. And your pipe, the pipe's not as much bigger, but it's, but like, yes, I don't understand how electricity works anyway. I think, well, I think you're right. You're right there in the sense. I agree. My brother was an electrician. It's one of those things. I wish I could learn more from him on that, but I don't understand how it works through the currency. But the idea I believe is that it's more able to handle more power, like you're saying, like a bigger pipe. So then it doesn't need as much pull on it. So it, it doesn't consume as much. Um, but that thing is a massive. And when I found out that there are four, eight circuits in the first place, I was like, did I really make a mistake here because it seems like that electric bill is going to be spinning out of control and it is bright enough to compete against the sun. So it's going to be able to go all day long. And then I think the intent is to run it, you know, for a good portion of the night as well. The city's just going to start shutting down some of their public lighting. Cause they're like, Oh, this is covering this whole area. So that felt like a rather large mistake. And then, and then it was like, well, you could also switch it to 220 and I'm like, well, we better do whatever we can to make it more efficient. That way we're just not black screen the entire time. Yeah. Um, but get back to what we were talking about. There's a tiny little switch inside there. There's three power sort packs that go to each one of the, uh, column, uh, panels. And then there's about 20 modules that attach to it or to the face of the LEDs. And then you have to go in there, pull all the led modules off and then go in and turn off or turn them from 110 to 220. And then we had to drill out the back nuts and several other things and then put those modules back on after hanging it. So at some point I thought I checked them all double check, triple check, put tape on different things to kind of market. But I definitely missed one, uh, whole panel. So, so three of them lit up pretty good. And that was a lot of smoke. We're really hoping that was by design that the first show would be a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exciting. Not that exciting though. And then, uh, we've got a meeting with them today cause we're going to go through it and I believe we'll replace those power packs. But there's also the since that got rammed with so much energy that it could be something else that's burnout. So we're going to go through a test on it to figure that out and hopefully that goes well today. So let's, let's jump into, that's your day job is construction design, uh, remodeling. Uh, what, what are your projects that you do on your own? Um, what was the first one you did that was outside of having a job? That was years back. Um, I've been rebuilding houses outside of, so I kind of say I work to pay to work, which is interesting. Not the most fun to pay to work. Basically it's what I've done for years. So I built a, or rebuilt a house built in 1890 on the little Arkansas, a river in Wichita. Um, shortly thereafter I did a quick rebuild on it. Then I moved to Florida with my wife. She, well, wasn't my wife at the time, but we decided to move there. And uh, it was for her to go through education. And then I started doing construction down there with some monster projects. Um, uh, and then came back, moved to Topeka, still own that house. The house got flooded from the second story while I lived in Topeka. So I was working and going to school for drafting design at that point. And then the house was flooded. So I had to drive back on the weekends and work on it. And, um, it, it all went well. We've been, so it was the purpose of that to rent it or flip it. It was to live in it. And then shortly thereafter I met the, the now wife and we moved to Florida. Gotcha. And this was only months after owning. Yeah. So, and then we rented it and then they fled the house from the, you know, from the second floor. So that destroyed everything. Yeah. And then it was a complete gut remodel. And then did that turn into a sell it or live in it? So we lived in it for a little while and then I saw another house and like, yeah, it'd be nice. We just buy that one and because the remodel and everything that we'd done to that one, we raised the value on enough to where we could take out a loan for the other one. And it was a rebuild as well. So then, um, we've moved in there, had our first son. Uh, at that point we were moving into the second one and then getting ready to sell that one, which was pretty cool because of both on the little Arkansas river. So that's sometimes I'd take the canoe back and forth from after working. Yeah. And then, um, we sold the little Arkansas house with, uh, I always call it the Arkansas house. We always name them by the street. And then where the river, it was located. Yeah, exactly. And then, um, then we sold the Wedgwood house, moved into a house we wouldn't have to rebuild since we had little kids. And, um, then my brother, uh, passed away and we started, I started rebuilding the house he was living in. We moved into that one, sold the Bridgewater house. And then we saw as we drive back and forth for Wichita to Eureka, Eureka. That's where my wife's family's from. We kept passing El Dorado and, uh, we saw a couple of places that were of interest and, but I didn't think it was something we were going to move on. And it was actually, and I can't think what Wade Wilkins just got finished with it a year or so ago. I can't remember what the building is. It's an L shaped building on, uh, central and main. Interesting. L shaped building. Well, from the top view. Um, but I was looking at that and, uh, the realtor took me over. Uh, Linda Baines took me over to the one 42 building instead, cause I was describing that I was wanting to create like a balcony and different things along that, those lines. And it sounds more like the, the district one 42 or the farm and home building. So she took me down there. And, uh, so you're looking at commercial property commercial. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, the basement was filled with water, um, because there's natural springs, literally a natural spring running into that building. It constantly is running water. Um, and then the roof was, it was very old at that point and had collapsed in on itself and created a low spot. So every time it rained, none of the water was directed off the roof and away. I remember all your kiddie pools in that building. That was a good time. Um, and for perspective, uh, this building is how big it's, how many floors? So it's 16,000 square foot on the main and second floor combined. And then it's roughly an 8,000 square foot basement. Okay. Um, with good ceiling height down there and plenty of water. 24,000 square feet built in the 1800s, early 1900s. I think I'm going to be off on this, but I think, well, since the city had the fire, there's no records of that building other than one that says it's no non combustible bill. That's all it says. Single description on a map. Um, that's been taped over several times. And the only thing I can date it with, um, was the elevator. The last stamp on it was Otis 19 or patent stamp 1917. Okay. So somewhere in that range. Yeah. I don't know if that, that's the exact date that year before the year after. Um, cause I imagine they were using that elevator potentially to do some of the construction too. That's, that's how I would do it anyway. I'd try to get that thing done first. So your vision for this, you see, this is your first commercial investment and you have a vision for it. You're big on, you've always wanted to create a venue. Yes. Um, so you can talk about that a little bit. What was your vision for the building? So the initial vision for it, we walked through the building and I wanted to make a rooftop venue. Um, when I saw it walking through, did the elevator go to the rooftop? No. Okay. No, it didn't. Um, but there's a tiny, there was a large size door, which is still there, um, that on the backside or set of stairs. And it was a stairway going to nothing. And I don't know why. I just always loved those. Um, there's usually a story behind it. You got to figure it out. And, uh, is a stairwell and time to design a destination. Yes. It's like, put everything into this. And, um, like my first house, the Arkansas house had that. And it was because it was an old cellar entry from the outside because he'd chop wood or whatever you do, then you'd throw it down in the basement. And then that's how you'd heat the house or, or whatever you're doing. Um, then they added a porch to it. The porch topped it stairway to nothing. Um, this on the other hand is a little bit more of a mystery still. Um, because how much money they sunk into the building initially in the timeframe, things that would have been going on in the world. Um, they built two stories. It's an all concrete and, uh, concrete floors, concrete, uh, headers. Um, but then there's also steel in there and then there's brick. So it's brick and steel or brick and concrete construction, um, which I learned a lot in Florida when I was going there and we did rough, rough beam framing and so on. Um, so we go up, I see the, the doorway leading up a commercial size set of stairs, five foot wide. Then it turns into a two foot by two foot hole with a step ladder made out of one by material, just like somebody had constructed it maybe a hundred years ago. And, um, that's the rooftop access. That's how you got up there. So the roof that had collapsed and everything else, you had two options and that's go through a two foot by two foot hole up a rickety ladder, the home built and maybe get yourself. And I was a little bit thinner at the time and a five gallon bucket through there at the same time. Um, or you'd have to rent a lift, um, crane, whatever else to get to from the outside. Yeah. So that's how we started patching it and we started doing spray foam and stuff like that to build up the sunken area and then target and so on. But back to what we were originally talking about. Um, I saw that set of stairs and I thought there's no way on earth you would build five foot wide commercial concrete stairs leading up to a roof just to roof it. And then I started looking around on the interior for the structure underneath and it's, it's got a, I call them concrete joists. I don't know what they're actually called, but it's, it's a, it's like a wave. So you'll have a deep spot and then it gets small and then drops back down just like you would have joists in a frame in a house. Um, and then that's filled up with each one that drops down. That's your support that goes across and filled up with three bar and they poured concrete in it and some kind of form. I, I would imagine it was done in place, um, from the way it looks. Um, that's a lot of structure that can handle an immense amount of weight. It kind of looks like what you would see in a, like a parking lot or a parking garage. Oh, interesting. Okay. As you see that those ways of concrete, those are a lot taller. These are about 12 inches and then that's where it clicked. You're like, this could be a rooftop venue. Yeah. And not just a rooftop, a like there's a load capacity here that's sufficient to drive equipment on kind of deal. Are we going to have like go-karts up there or something? That'd be great. We've thought about that. Uh, don't get too close to the rail kids. And that's, that's what kind of initiated the idea and part of that going down to Tennessee and for a conventions and so on, you've got a lot of rooftop venues there. Yeah. And yeah, you know, people were, as we were going around and asking taxi drivers, what's what's dragging all this construction because there's tons of cranes operating down there. So new construction going on all over the place. And, uh, they said, I think people like the nightlife here. People like the entertainment. They like, you know, the rooftop venues, the, the, the main streets, all the country, um, artists go there and so on. And that was a major appeal for that community, which is booming. So I thought that that makes sense to try recreating something that draws that many people would draw people to what we're working on. Yep. And so that's been the initial reason for purchasing the building, moving forward with it, all the grants and everything that we've written for my goal has been trying to push towards the rooftop. Yeah. And there's just expense that comes with it. And the challenge has been since it's a historical building, historical grants and so on, you have to appease historical preservation and so on, which has pushed us back. Here's the money, but do it this way. Yeah. So it's like, so we, uh, for context, you're in a historic downtown district. Yes. District. Um, so there's a ton of, or I don't know if there's a ton, but there's opportunity for grants, uh, around it being a historic building. Yes. Correct. And then the headache is obviously they kind of mandate what the facade has to be. And, um, timelines I'm sure. Mainly facade. Um, that's, that's really in less. And that's because our, our building is basic on the interior. There's not a 10 panels on the ceiling. There's not ornate, um, trim work and so on. It was built, um, you know, more like a bomb shelter at the concrete floors, concrete molding, uh, plaster and so on. So it's rather simple in the interior. Um, so the exterior is what they were worried about. And the idea is that you'd have to push a five feet or seven feet. I can't recall the exact measurement off the facade to be able to raise it up. Well, the elevator is in the corner, so it wouldn't be able to do that without jogging. So we, we eventually got it figured out for, for another grant. But, um, the goal was to do the shell of the building first is all I ever worry about. Cause if it's pouring in water, like it was, yeah, we had waterfalls going down the stairs, keep the elements out. Yes. Just more growth and everything else. So we, why do drywall? If you're just going to trash it. Um, so that was my initial intent. And that's why we started rebuilding the roof and everything, patching it together while we were working away on that. The goal was to have the rooftop finished for that, as opposed to putting a rooftop on that's going to be torn off later. Um, and while doing that though, there is design elements that we used in there. So the first 4,000 square feet, I guess I would say the West facing, that would be closest to main street, uh, that is built to where the gutters go through the inside of the building and shoot out that way we can deck that surface. The East 4,000 square foot is designed to have a roof built up over the top of it to where it would be an enclosed area. Um, so that part, we didn't get to do this round. Um, but that's always been the intent. That's been the initial driver and everything. Um, and something I haven't given up on yet. Yeah. When we put in the elevator, we, I, I created the elevator work. The elevator is working. It goes all the way to the roof. Now it goes to the roof. Now that's crazy. I built a, I did kind of a weekend project yet. Um, third floor made, uh, to where it was sufficient to be able to say that there are three floors so that that could be used inside the grant as the parapet walls, which are the, so the floor that was made initially, and then there's parapet walls, they're seven foot tall. So it was almost like they already had another floor to work from a couple more feet, and then they could have roofed the top of that. Um, so it allowed us to build something that barely sticks up to where a historical was fine with it and, um, be able to appease that to get the rooftop elevator, which down the line gives us a lot of access to, since you have an elevator, now you have proper man for ADA egress and so on, to be able to do the rooftop. Yeah. We're just, we're just trying to figure out the funds to build them up to where we can. So let's talk about the fun side. Cause you're, uh, you're in a rural town, 12,000 people in this town. It's the County seat, 60,000 people and we're bedroom community to, uh, Wichita approximately 600,000 people. So there could be a draw from there. Uh, but financially like, and you, your, your path with this was not necessarily like this makes sense for me to personally pour in, you know, X amount of millions of dollars. I identified these grant opportunities because of it being an old building. So your, your investment strategy with this has been a combination, right? Of trying to identify grants, um, along with personal money. Um, but the core question I want to ask, uh, and then we're going to go into the lift the ball stadium, uh, how much of this is passion, uh, and building something, creating something that adds value that you're, you're proud of, um, and rehabilitating something. Cause your whole story is rehabilitating property after property and it's your day job. Um, ultimately are you trying to make a lot of money on this or is there something deeper going into this project? Yeah. I mean, a lot of money would be awesome. Um, it's a good answer. There's no doubt about that. And that I'm not pushing against that. Sure. That would be great. Um, but really I, I don't focus on that so much. Um, the, the goal for all of what I'm doing on the interior is to build up funds, to just keep building. I mean, that's what I enjoy is creating, uh, the money is what allows me to do that. Yeah. I, if I had, you know, just millions of dollars, I don't think I would just go sit and you know, yeah, out on a beach all day. I, I probably go, yeah, but sometimes probably be some sandcastles going on. And yeah, I mean, like after a while there's, I feel like you build the most impressive sandcastle ever. If you're stuck on a beach for a week. Well, and I mean, I, I, that's, I lived in Florida for a year and you know, I, I got to work and during the day and go hang out on the beach afterwards. And I absolutely love that. But, um, I, if I get away from not being able to construct or do something for so long, that's just kind of where my brain keeps going back to. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so it's the desire to do it. Yeah. It's you, you have the vision of it. You see what the potential of this property can be. And like, that's what drives you ultimately. It's like everything in you is like, I know what this could be. I see it. I want to build it. Yeah. And there's, there's opportunity obviously on the drawing people in, which is a big deal. Um, which we'll talk about the wiffle ball stadium. Well, and I think that's where it comes from. I mean, for me, I really like building it and that kind of, I mean, that's how, um, sometimes that's how me and my, like my family, we, we've always kind of hung out rebuilding old cars and you know, that you're in the garage, you're tinkering, you're, you know, but you're, you're, you're spending that time together and then, uh, then turned into houses and so on. And I enjoy that part, but like the idea of the venues and, and those kinds of things are for draw and for entertainment and creating things that we don't currently have. And, and I think they'll also build a lot of community. And that's what I'd like to see them, uh, accomplish. Um, that's what this building has been. We wanted to create a downtown hub that attracts people and is a, not just a catch net to our community, but a draw to it. And that's the wiffle ball. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, you go to a wiffle ball tournament. We're going to jump into that. Um, yeah. Did it start with YouTube? We've talked about this. Tell me what got you into wiffle ball. Um, and then I'll, then I'll transition us into you building the nicest wiffle ball stadium in the world. Well, um, that's basically it all started with my nine-year-old at the time. He was nine, um, watching Mark Ruber. I always say his name, right? And he always corrects me, but it's Mark Ruber. He's NASA scientist. Uh, he's an engineer and there's an episode that he came up with, which was wiffle ball and, or that's what he grew up playing. And he wanted to go against the MLW, which is major league. Yeah. I watched a video. That was cool. You sent it to me. And my son was brought that to me and it was just enamored with, with all of what he was doing there because he's creating, you know, the unhittable wiffle ball and all this stuff. So he's basically trying to cheat to beat them because he knows he can't do it on a level playing field. And, uh, that's, that's kind of what started the, the draw to it. And then shortly after that, uh, my family got in a car wreck. My wife was driving down Andover road and in opposing traffic, a car came across and hit him and, uh, they were speeding and everything else. Luckily they have been in a suburban. So after hitting three cars and, uh, then a tree and then the car that initially hit him somehow turned around and ran into him from the backside, um, was a major traumatic event and all of them ended up, uh, with different kinds of issues from it and back pain and so on. So we were looking for places to travel that were close because we haven't been able to go on long trips because just a little car ride. Yeah. The back started hurting. Yeah. There's anxiety of being in there and all that stuff was built up. Um, so that video, he brought it up again at some point and I looked it up in that, in that video with Mark Ruber and the wiffle ball, they ended up playing at Shangri-La, which is a, Oh, what is Shangri-La? It's like a, they've, they've got golf. Like a resort. It's a resort. Yeah. They've got golf courses. They've got tennis, uh, tons of pickleball, massive amounts of money poured into all these elements. And, um, that's the stadium that they built. There was a wiffle ball stadium. It's, you know, it's a, one of the nicest in, in the world is, uh, it's, it's a great place to go and travel. And, uh, we, we did a short trip because their backs were hurting and this was a couple of months after that happened. And, uh, it's pretty cute because the little boy or the oldest boy, I should say, he kind of teared up. Cause he saw what the stadium was and it was from that video and everything. And, uh, that's awesome. It was, it was really cool. That's awesome. So it was what we found out hanging out there for the week, uh, or the weekend. And, uh, is that wiffle ball stadium was full of pickup game after pickup game. Oh, really? Random people, nothing scheduled at all. And that I, what must've been millions of dollars spent on tennis courts and pickleball courts were rather empty and almost there, there weren't pickup games. They were just, but the wiffle ball, Susie and, and Jack came with their clubs. They came to play each other. I mean, they figured that out beforehand. There was a basketball court right next to it. Occasionally somebody dribble a ball or two, but that wiffle ball field was just packed. Um, and people spectating watching it. And it was really cool. And they had a great little area where there was dining and other stuff attached to that area. And I was like, you know, this could really work. This is really the community hub of this area. Other than the swimming pool. Right. That place is packed and everything else too. But I mean, when it was actually an activity that was outside of that, um, that's where everybody was hanging out. And it, there was different ages and age groups going on. You know, my son was playing. So he just jumped in there and started playing with them. He joined into a game almost immediately. Um, good group of kids about his age and, uh, he crushed one and I wasn't even watching, but I heard, wow, is it confidence booster? Yeah. It was positive. So that's awesome. It seemed like something that we could recreate and make really cool. Yeah. That would bring. So that was really, that's what really drew you then, uh, your son having a connection, uh, but also the community aspect of just seeing all these people coming together, just having a blast. Yeah. Like a bunch of people that wouldn't talk to each other if they were sitting next to each other in a restaurant or, you know, walk past them every day, but here they are joining teams and yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah. So that's beautiful. Um, so most people would just be like, I'm going to go play wiffle ball now. I'm going to find a place and I'm going to go play wiffle ball. Yeah. But you're not most people, Nathan. No. So you came back. So we came back and, and, you know, try to adding different elements to what they had designed and looked at other places. Um, Philly's got a really cool, uh, place. They, they've got some rock climbing attached to theirs. Like, I think it's some kind of a, like a shooting game of some sort. And I mean, it's a really neat, uh, stadium. There's, there's, there's quite a few to look at. Um, the Royals have one, um, in there. Yeah. I think I saw that one. Yeah. That's cool. But the problem with theirs is they, you can't hit, you can't hit wiffle balls and they, they went with a 90 degree. Um, so, so we, we kind of based ours more on the M the MLW or more traditional rule, which stands for major league wiffle. There we go. And there's, it's a 70 degree angle. Um, and, and, and a lot of this is cause I'm finding solutions, um, with the size of property that we have parking lot work. Yes. So you purchased the parking lot behind this building. This is the cool part about this story. So now we get to connect those two pieces. That's right. And again, building on your, uh, vision of community and, and part of this. And, and I think you and I talked about a long time ago, um, had the idea of bringing the restaurant, which isn't even constructed yet out towards the back alley and creating an outdoor dining area. And then, you know, it, it's just, it slowly evolved and we talked about like containers, like, uh, like so, some venue for that parking lot. Cause it's a private parking lot, but it's in the middle of all this public parking. So it could be something really neat. And I never in a million years thought you were going to put a wiffle ball stadium on it. Yeah. Uh, but we, we talked about a lot of stuff, but I didn't think so either. So, so fast forward to now, now your mindset on this, you found your location. Uh, then you go talk about the grant you applied for, um, which still fascinates me that that was what, what won it is super cool. Yeah. But well, it's, uh, T-Mobile's hometown grant, um, which is a really awesome grant that they put on. Uh, they basically grant $50,000 to a project. $50,000 to a project. And the goal of it is to, to bring community together. Um, there was another one, one here in Butler County too, for the, uh, the park, uh, in Augusta. And they, so they rebuilt that and we want it. Um, it's a very competitive grant. Um, and the idea was creating downtown or not downtown, but community and involved spaces. So when you applied for this grant, did you put in your design? Yes. Yeah. Which is unbelievable, which I'm going to show on some, uh, I'm going to post about that. I'll need to get that from you. Um, and then we're going to get some footage and photos of your progress out there. Uh, that'll be great. But, uh, so you put in your, so back to you being a designer, you design 3d rendered out the whole thing. Correct. Kind of show the bit, which probably helped a lot for the grant application. I think it's helped our grants, uh, quite a bit being able to, my wife is excellent. Um, when it comes to knowing what to say in them, how to put them together, all the things that I'm terrible at. And, uh, she, she does a wonderful job with that. And that's probably like 90% of how we get them. But then 10%, you know, at least I would say is having a visual that most people don't, aren't able to put out into their grants and, you know, and that's what, that's how I communicate. I'm not the best reader or writer by any means, but I communicate with art and with drawings. Um, kind of funny. My dad does that for everything. Uh, he's, he used to design their jets and it was all hand drawn, um, the interiors on them. So we've around the house, you know, there would be drawings of what we should do or not do and writing, you know, it's just hilarious. If, if he has somebody working for him, he'll draw how he wants to do it. I'll have to show you. You guys have this wild connection, like birthday cards, you know, it was just a drawing and, but you knew it, you knew what it meant. Well, like, like we were talking about how to pull a boat motor and put another one on. And he, he drew it with monkeys climbing all over it all. I'll share that one with you. I'd like to see. And then, uh, we, that's how we ended up doing it. Mine is the monkeys, but, but that's, that's kind of how I communicate. And that's how, how I'm able to help them visualize what we're trying to achieve. Because if they just thought it was, you know, on paper, they would be visualizing what's a wiffle ball stating. They're imagining chain link with the green, you know, like the baseball fields at McDonald, chain link with the green, whatever it is like the foam. And they wouldn't have that connection to what we're really trying to achieve. Because I mean, the wiffle ball stadium is, is part of what we're doing. Right. The other feature, which is, is the most challenging, um, is, is the stage that's connected to it. So that's the wiffle balls is, is the rare value that, that grows us. I believe the, the pole to our community, um, but typical use and so on. I think a big driver for our local is going to be concerts and being able to have events out there in that row. So the corner of the field, and we'll show this visually the corner of the field is where the, uh, concert stage will be. Yeah. And the idea is how is it going to be multi-purpose? How can it be both? So center field, the fall, the wall and center field will fold down like a, like a draw bridge or a Murphy bed or however you want to visualize it. Um, and then that will provide more square footage for the stage. Cause, cause it's kind of inset right now. As is that like the back part of the stage? Well, what you, that part back there, that's just so we could get stairs, uh, to be able to, to hit the backside. It has a little inset in the far corner, but we're dealing with a square and, you know, a wiffle ball stadium is like a slice of pie. It's got a shape to it. So that center field gave us a little opportunity to do something there. Um, since we're trying to fill every single piece of it. And that's where the idea for the stage fit. Yes. And it, and it's kind of nice because the entire property, uh, rakes from the West downward towards the East and this sits towards the East. So all of our drainage and everything has been planned to go that route, but it also gives us better viewing. Uh, cause it's like a raked auditorium. It's not that steep by any means, but at the same time, as you go back, it, it just keeps pitching that way, which is better for viewing. Um, and that's, that's kind of part of what drove to that location, but also it allows us to break out into the streets. Um, yeah. So, so you got, uh, the, uh, partnering with the city, right? So that whole block of first street, you can have closed down for special events and yeah. Talk about that. Yeah. So it's, it's going to be able to, it, I'm not certain exactly what it's called, but it's, I believe they called it a consumption zone. Um, so the idea is with simple barricades being put up by the city, uh, it's a simpler process to close it off. More typically, um, we're able to, uh, serve onto the street. And that gives us a much larger, um, uh, well, I think you, and yeah, exactly. Because then we're able to serve out into that venue. Um, so that's, that's because that allows vendors to be out there that allows beverages to be sold. Absolutely. Uh, and then based on you and I walking out there, I mean, you could get hundreds viewing a concert, uh, and, and that positioning on it faces that larger crowd. Yeah. And, and that's part of the reason why, you know, most of these things would be more closed off in a sense, uh, to the street, to the North side, but that's why we're leaving it more open. So we're doing a Euro style fence, which kind of looks like a netting almost, um, which will blend in with the nets that we're putting up around the North side. Yeah. So that'll be easily viewed. And then there'll be large gates, uh, that'll open up to be able to service, uh, or people to come in and out, which will help with our capacity levels and everything else. How many grants have you, uh, won so far for this project? For this one, we've won two. Cool. The other one was for a sign. Um, we kind of snuck a Jumbotron into that. It's a sign. It's a sign. We're going to use it for signage. It can display something. Yeah. Well, and it's sponsors up on that Jumbotron. That's, that's part of it. And I think that's going to have a large community benefit to it. Um, but to, to sneak that in there, we, we also had to have a sign above it. So I've got, um, uh, Larry Wilson is an artist. He's painting that up right now and hopefully we'll be hanging that soon. Uh, important question. I'm not thought to ask you. I don't think ever. What is the field called the field? Yeah. We're waiting for a sponsor to figure it out. But it's the outdoor area is called district stadium. Okay. So it's district stadium. Um, but we are looking for sponsorship for the field name. And I think a really cool option is the stage name too. So whenever we're able to have an event or concert, it's at, so then you essentially have like two venue names that are, yeah, because it's smart because we're using this, you know, and I look at the wave in Wichita, yeah. A place that has a massive crowd and then is completely vacant the rest of the time. And that's, that's part of that dual usage. So we'll be able to use it 24, seven in a sense. I mean, we'll be able to have a wiffle ball games, tournaments, home run derbies, all that stuff happening during typical days and so on. And then when we want to have concerts to, to drag in larger crowds. And when there's street festivals going on and so, so forth, then we'll be able to have those larger settings. Um, so for the locals, this is a local question. Um, is there going to be recreational use and also leagues or will everything be scheduled in inside of some league format? I can't imagine doing it all that way. Yeah. I think there's, I mean, my initial was, was the idea of, you know, just the pickup games and that kind of happening. And there's so much fun just to be had with that, that I think that's going to go on a lot of it. Uh, but then we're going to have days that are going to be more designated for league and so on. Great. That's awesome. And then there's a playground going inside there as well. Like for kit, little kids. Yeah, that was the goal. So we're trying to figure out funding on that portion of it, but it's a smaller area and, uh, we just got, there's a lot of, you could just throw a bunch of boxes in that corner. You know, the kids would be entertained for, I don't doubt that for a second. I mean, really, you know, get some appliance, get Charlie's appliance, some buildup, their washer boxes, fridge boxes. You could build a playground out of that. I mean, we've even just thought it, like, I mean, I'm down with something like that. That sounds perfect. But I know how to hold up in the rain, like Gaga ball or something like that. A little Gaga ball arena. We'll figure out something. There'll be a placeholder kind of set up for where something there. And then eventually we want to build onto it and I'd like to build into the parking lot over there. Oh yeah. Yeah. I've talked with about shipping container on the other side and then us using the top deck of that to add to that play area. Also be some balcony seating along those lines. So we're still figuring out how to, to cultivate it and make it larger and so on. But yeah. So how are you, uh, what's the next stage of this thing gets finished? Um, well, I, I'm sure you hate this question, but I'm going to ask it anyway. Timeline. What, what's a realistic timeline that you're happy with of having this project to where you can play with a ball? March, March. Oh really? Yeah. Nice. So we've got turf, we've got a Jumbotron installed most of the way. You heard it here first. Wow. First, you heard it here first, March of 26 I'm going to get to play with football. Yeah. And we're going to, we're going to open her up in, in March. Um, like I said, we were pushing through trying to get a larger portion of this done in the winter. Um, and that's what kind of kills it is, you know, it'd be great to push hard, like crazy and get it open tomorrow. But then it's basically going into a shutdown period and I'd rather, I'd rather get it where it needs to be and massage a little bit quick. Yeah. And I mean, it's, it's at this point it's, it's basically down to me. Um, I've got Robert that's the Mason helping occasionally and I've got a couple other people like Chase Williams has been coming by and helping me, um, here and there. And I've got a nephew that comes by and, but otherwise it's me, the wife and the kids, um, going at it anymore. So, and then I've, I've got a buddy that is, uh, Morgan Kessler is going to come by and help me roll out the turf. So that seems intimidating. Yeah. Rolls look huge. He's done it for many years. So he's, he's going to be the perfect person to be able to help us out with that. Um, that's awesome. But it's, it's schedule a full-time job. So I'm, I'm trying, you know, for four 30 AM, wake up, go over there, work for several hours. Uh, do just stop at seven 45, take the kids to school, walk them to school, go back, sometimes put in 30 more minutes to clean up what I was working on, go to work. And then sometimes I'm doing it after work. Um, I try not to do too much that way. I have family time. There's not even close to enough of that. Yeah. And then some weekends. So that's why it takes so long, but that's just what the, the funding allows. Right. If I could hire it out. Right. Yeah. I'm still like in awe of just the brick work. Who was the Mason that did all that? Robert Fort. Okay. It looks great. He did a great job. So, and it, it was basically just, just him. I would, I was basically the brick tender. So just, and that's just stacking bricks. And I'm the next brick or I was at work by that time. So I, I get up early. I load up the bricks, get it all ready, set up scaffolding, whatever. Gotcha. Need to be. And then basically tag. Yeah. It's all yours. And then he would take over from that point and, and start building it up. But, um, I mean, there's, how are you going to market this? Like, how are you going to grow this? Um, you want it to be a draw? Um, obviously it's for the community, but also drawing in everyone else. Do you want to host the world series of wiffle ball someday? Like I see the goals on the very much. So do you? I think we have the opportunity to try pushing for something like that. Uh, since we have such a appreciation for T-Mobile and what they've been able to do for us, uh, they also happen to be the second largest sponsor to a major league baseball. And, uh, they might have some connections that they might be willing to help us out with. I, I haven't asked them this yet, but we'll, we'll ask him, just ask him right now. I'm hoping that they'll, they'll, uh, want to show off at what a awesome project that they, they created basically by giving us the funding. Cause without that initial push, it would have been years before we would have had any funding to be able to do something like this. So I'm hoping that we can plan something with them, uh, for March to, to get something special for a grand opening. And then if March doesn't work out, we'll just, we'll figure out a different time. But that's the kind of stuff I'd like to do is, is get some maybe like major league baseball players against, uh, some, some of the wiffle ball guys. That'd be awesome. And then there's going to be a lot of events that we're going to do. Um, we want to do a community events and be able to build up, uh, fundraising, uh, firemen versus police and, you know, bunch of different things like that. We'd love to see the, uh, Butler, softball girls and baseball and all that come over. And when, uh, what's wind surge, is that the Wichita team? Yeah. I mean, to connect with them as well. Yeah, absolutely. So we want to pull in as much we can from, from the baseball community and then, you know, concerts trying to set those up, trying to have a, an old friend of mine, help us out with some of those as well. His name's Ryan Stevenson. He does the cotillion, the wave and, um, River Fest. So he'd be the perfect person to be able to help us get geared up for a couple of those. And then, uh, we plan on applying for some grants to, to keep it going, keep it going. And, um, one thing that you might not know about concerts and, and, uh, concert venues is speakers cost a lot of money. Oh yeah. There's a lot of money in that. And think about that. Yeah. I was talking to Steven about that. Cause that's one of the first things he brought up. And I, I can't remember the name of the place. I think it's somewhere Ville or nowhere. It's a, uh, the little concert venue that is just jam packed with lighting and all sorts of stuff. I mean, it's a total cash dump into everything you would want to be able to make a concert music. Yeah. Yeah. And he was talking about the money that was put in speakers and what the cotillion, I think, you know, 500,000 is not a realistic, an unrealistic number for a concert venue to dump into their sound system. So we're probably not going to have that level of a speaker system, but I mean, it's something to build towards, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um, so that's, that's something that we still need to work on, but there's, there's possibility for renting that kind of equipment and so on as we for like a larger or a bigger draw type band or artist. Well, and I think we can get decent size. Um, the stadium itself is going to have a decent crowd that'll fit with inside that and that's more local talent and so on. Um, but we'll be able to have larger crowds once we were able to do the first street, um, access and, and be able to have that space. So probably won't need the $500,000 speakers, but at the same time, I think, I think we'll be able to get decent size crowds or decent size performers that would draw the larger crowds. Yeah. With the following. Yeah. And then those larger events are pretty much what it's going to create or draw. Um, there's going to have to be advertising for those to, to happen as well. So our goal is to work with the city some and, uh, uh, experience elder Reno, um, to create some of that, get some of that information out and then otherwise we're just going to have to have a completely different marketing campaign as well. Uh, are you still going to put GoPros all over the stadium? Is that a, there's, there's electric grand to the street lights for cameras. Yes. Yeah. I think that would be super powerful. Uh, we're gonna have to help him with that. Tyler. Well, that would be, and I think there's, there's no reason why, uh, you know, a YouTube league couldn't be starred just for the stadium. Oh yeah. And that's what I was going to say at the end of the day, the best thing you can do cause visually it's, it's going to get traction, right? So at the end of the day, you've just got to put out as much content as possible on pick two platforms. I think YouTube's a no brainer cause that'll have the national draw, right? Like anybody that's into with a ball, anybody that's keeping up with the trends around that, they're going to stumble across it. You know, it's one hashtag whiffle on that YouTube video. Um, but yeah, that's, I think that's going to be the biggest thing is you've just got to figure out how to create enough content and distribute it accordingly. So like where, cause based on what I saw, um, you've got tick tock, I see some big whiffle, whiffle guys on tick tock, uh, sell some on Instagram, but I saw tick tock and YouTube as kind of where I saw most of the whiffle ball influence, um, happening. So I think if you just had a stadium account on tick tock, uh, and on YouTube and you just start putting out content like crazy, um, that's, I mean, that's just organically going to create so many connections for you and open so many doors. Um, and, and I know the part that is hard is like you overthink the content and then it's, Oh, and I got to edit it and I got to, you don't like, you just need to film. You're fascinating. The stadium's fascinating and the stuff that's going to happen in there, people are going to want to see. Um, so yeah, that would be my, my advice to you would be just start with content and an iPhone in landscape mode for YouTube and vertical for tick tock and then just film, film, film. Yeah. I'll find somebody to do that. And that's exactly, that's a great thing to delegate. Yeah. Yeah. Um, what, what other ways of marketing do you, besides networking and is that kind of how you've envisioned this is just putting content out there and building a following? I think so. I think that's a big part of it. Um, I, I, you know, I haven't really been able to find a major league women's whiffle either. Oh. And I know that's, I mean, uh, women's softball just got its first major league team and I got to tell you, women's softball, the, the college series and everything else, it's enjoyable as can be to watch. So I think there, there's a whole nother spot that could be, somebody could start up there. I'd like to, there's a couple of gals, you know, that play locally around here that I think that'd be fun to try getting them involved. Um, and then it would be its own thing. It'd be kind of our niche. And, uh, but as far as other things to, to grow and, and, and draw, I, I mean, I think we're, we're just going to be pushing towards those outdoor events too. Yeah. And yeah. Well, the multipurpose is really unique. You know, it's not just the nicest whiffle ball stadium. It's the nicest whiffle ball stadium in the world. You know, it's not just the nicest whiffle ball stadium. It's also, I mean, you've built a monument, you know, essentially you've built a monument. Uh, the city of El Dorado thanks you. Um, but ultimately, like I think the draw is going to be all of it. And I think it's just going to be fascinating. I think there's going to be people that come that don't care about the music. They don't care about whiffle ball just to look at it and take it in. Yeah. Cause I do that every day, every day I drive by and it's not even finished. And I'm like, this is unbelievable. I'll just like stand out here on the street and look at the base roof. Yeah. You know, I'm just like, this is crazy. Yeah. I saw the lights on the other night too. Yeah. Driving by, um, that definitely unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's them on their low settings. No way. Yeah. I was like, yeah, that's unbelievable. Yeah. I was out there. I'm testing out, uh, how they would work out. And if you'd be comfortable catching a ball and so on with the, the youngest son Waylon last night. Um, and it works great. Good. Yeah. I mean, see it. Yeah. You can see just fine. It was more like, are you going to get blinded by these lights? Right. Yeah. And we were doing pop flies and it wasn't even, it wasn't. Okay. I think it'll be perfect for it. Yeah. And I think that's something, well, you can't move them now. No, I mean, yeah, I'm glad it worked out now. I mean, I, there's not a lot of options in that arena that the whole goal is super bright for parking lots or street lights. So that's all there is option wise. Um, so we've got other ideas for that too, though. For what? Yeah. I don't want to give everything away, but there'll be some different lighting. You get all this content. We're going to give you all these clips and you just post them whenever you want. Well, something's gotta be a surprise. We're going to work into it. Maybe March timeframe. We'll do another one. So they can follow this project where the stadium, uh, or district stadium is on Facebook. No, it's not. Oh, I thought it was. I thought I saw it. It's not. Okay. It's not. Okay. So we're going to be, we're going to get that done. District stadium, district stadium. Yeah. Facebook. Ever heard of it? Yeah. So that's not my, my real talent putting anything out on Facebook or anything like that is something, but there will be a place to follow you. We'll, uh, we'll make sure that we'll get that created here. And, uh, we might just get you the, the brass X part of it put together so you can put something out there and maybe a clip on this. Uh, cause it's something that we've been working on. We've been taking pictures and I think I saw the logo. I think you have a logo already for the stadium. Yep. Great. So it's, it's your, you're 90% of the way there. That's the hardest part. Now you just create Facebook page name, profile, pick, yeah. Cover pick. I know. Right. It's basically a clip from this podcast and you're famous overnight. So, uh, speaking of monuments, I forgot to do this earlier in the podcast, but I wore my Bucky shirt, uh, for this occasion, uh, to say good job on building the nicest Wolf of all stadium in the world. And you built a monument like Bucky's. Do you like Bucky's? I haven't ever been. Okay. That is so, all right, you're going to go to Bucky's. Okay. I've been, I've been seeing a lot about it. If Nathan Insminger was going to build a gas station, he would build a Bucky's. Well, and it's probably the reason why I haven't is because I don't travel very much. I probably spend too much time working. So we, we rarely make it out of town. Um, but it'll be in my destination cause they've got them in Oklahoma, right? Uh, yeah, they do now. I think so. That's where we travel a lot of the time. They've got, uh, I mean all the way down when you get all the way down to Austin, I mean it's just sign after sign. That's hilarious. You know, like, like you're only, you're only 10 minutes away from the best brisket you'll ever have. And it's just a multiple. I think that's brilliant. The bathroom, the whole thing is just unbelievable. I mean we spend $200 every time we go in there. It's so dumb. Like we have, I have a ones, I have a Bucky's onesie. That's amazing. Like a full, our whole family does. Every one of us has a head to toe Bucky's onesie with like the, the beaver beaver head on top. That's what we did for Halloween a couple of years ago. We all wore Bucky's onesies. So, um, on that note though, you need, you'll go to a Bucky's sometime. Yeah. And I'm going to figure out their K dot strategy with the signage. I think that might be something. Maybe. Yeah, honestly, we compete with like the ball of twine or something. Yeah. When you start posting about this, people are going to want to just drive by to see it. Like that is going to happen. Um, I don't think you need a billboard. They're already doing it. Yeah. Uh, I don't think you need a billboard. Um, I think you just have to post online and people are going to find out about it. And then you also need to list it on Google business. You'll create a Google business page and then that's going to get a ton of reviews. And then when people want to find it, right, it's going to have an address and they'll be like, I gotta go. I gotta go to district stadium. I think we're driving right by. Yeah. And we're right off the turnpike. It's easy. It's easy. Yeah. Yeah. It's on the truck route. We're sandwiched between two highways. Oh, that's true. So we were in front of a district. 1 42 is facing 77 and then we're on the truck route right just to the East of us. So it's, it's got a lot of viewing potential and then you can see it from central too. So that's where you could see home plate right in the sky. I haven't even looked from there yet, but I believe you. And I'll play close pretty well when the lights are on too. So that's awesome. Well, dude, you're all, you are the most interesting person in Eldorado and that's saying a lot because there's 12,000 people here. You know, Eldorado is huge. But seriously, I just love what you're doing and I know it's freaking hard and it just blows my mind that you have the capacity vision to build something that's a, yeah, going to be a lot of work ongoing. Um, but it's meaningful and just, there's a lot of people that have ideas, Nathan, and there's not a lot of people that actually execute those ideas. And it's refreshing to see someone have a crazy idea like building a massive wiffle ball stadium downtown Eldorado and you're, you're doing it. It'll be done in March. Well, and I think part of the reason for building the wiffle ball stadium and, and, and doing all that, I mean, we've talked about this before, but I guess the final kind of nail in the coffin or why that became the choice is because pickleball is popular. Yeah. Everybody suggested pickleball cause we wanted to do some kind of outdoor activity. It's really hard to get people to drive from Wichita and surrounding areas. Yeah. No matter what kind of complex that we were able to build. Cause I mean, the, what's it, what's the name? Uh, the pickle place, chicken and pickle, chicken and pig. I mean, that's a monument to pickleball, you know? Yeah. How am I going to get people to pass that place with that kind of funding jumped into it to come out to a piff pickleball. And then we've got a community pickleball here. Yeah. And that's, that's probably the last thing that was like, yes, this is the reason. Nothing like this around. Let's make it a destination. Yeah. And that's part of why we made it the Bucky's of whiffle ball. Right, exactly. Thank you. Full circle, dude. Thanks for hanging out. Um, I want to respect your time. I know you got a 10 o'clock appointment. Well, I appreciate that, but you're awesome. Uh, we'll get all this content to you, but thanks for coming on and keep at it. And we're here if you need any help. Well, thanks for having me. I will, I will sit down and make sure that Facebook page gets done even if I do it. And we're going to post that on this podcast and, but yeah, thanks again, dude. All right. Well, thank you. Appreciate you. Can you get a photo of us?