Following Curiosity: From Ranch Life to Country Music Media with Chase Locke | Ep 54

The Killer Growth Podcast starts now. The Killer Growth Podcast starts now. » » What's up, guys? Sam McVay here with the » What's up, guys? Sam McVay here with the Killer Growth Podcast. And today I have Killer Growth Podcast. And today I have Killer Growth Podcast. And today I have Chase Lock with Outwriter. Chase Lock with Outwriter. Chase Lock with Outwriter. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And » And » And » With myself. » With myself. » With myself. » With himself. » With himself. » With himself. And we're here to figure out who the And we're here to figure out who the And we're here to figure out who the heck Chase is and what he does. No one heck Chase is and what he does. No one heck Chase is and what he does. No one knows. All we know is that he's a little knows. All we know is that he's a little knows. All we know is that he's a little ranch kid that somehow became CEO of ranch kid that somehow became CEO of ranch kid that somehow became CEO of some country music media company. How some country music media company. How some country music media company. How does that happen? does that happen? does that happen? » » » » Or is that where we're starting? » Or is that where we're starting? » Or is that where we're starting? » I think it's a great place to start. » I think it's a great place to start. » I think it's a great place to start. » Man, I don't even know. I » Man, I don't even know. I » Man, I don't even know. I feel like there's a lot to fill in feel like there's a lot to fill in feel like there's a lot to fill in between that. between that. between that. » You can do whatever you want. » You can do whatever you want. » You can do whatever you want. » gap ever. » gap ever. » gap ever. » It's your mic. » It's your mic. » It's your mic. » what? » what? » what? » It's your show. » It's your show. » It's your show. » You're really becoming the Barbara » You're really becoming the Barbara » You're really becoming the Barbara Walters of Butler County. And I Walters of Butler County. And I Walters of Butler County. And I like it. like it. like it. Uh you really do a phenomenal job at Uh you really do a phenomenal job at Uh you really do a phenomenal job at this. I'm always impressed. I'm like, this. I'm always impressed. I'm like, this. I'm always impressed. I'm like, "Sam always asks really great questions. "Sam always asks really great questions. "Sam always asks really great questions. He's got a great He's got a great He's got a great demeanor about him on camera." Um demeanor about him on camera." Um demeanor about him on camera." Um I'm trying to buy time as I'm I'm trying to buy time as I'm I'm trying to buy time as I'm » it. This is not about me. It's about » it. This is not about me. It's about » it. This is not about me. It's about you. Answer the dang question. you. Answer the dang question. you. Answer the dang question. » So, I grew up here in Alto Redo » So, I grew up here in Alto Redo » So, I grew up here in Alto Redo » [clears throat] » [clears throat] » [clears throat] » on a ranch. I'm the proud son of Chris » on a ranch. I'm the proud son of Chris » on a ranch. I'm the proud son of Chris and Allison Lock and my brothers and Allison Lock and my brothers and Allison Lock and my brothers Christian, Ryan, Levi Christian, Ryan, Levi Christian, Ryan, Levi uh all grew up and wanted to be uh all grew up and wanted to be uh all grew up and wanted to be ranchers. I was ranchers. I was ranchers. I was a pretty creative kid, which I attribute a pretty creative kid, which I attribute a pretty creative kid, which I attribute growing up on the ranch to like growing up on the ranch to like growing up on the ranch to like kind of that kind of that kind of that creativity and imagination cuz you're creativity and imagination cuz you're creativity and imagination cuz you're just outside and you're daydreaming all just outside and you're daydreaming all just outside and you're daydreaming all day long. Um day long. Um day long. Um but Dad did some rodeo stuff on the but Dad did some rodeo stuff on the but Dad did some rodeo stuff on the weekends. I remember there being like a weekends. I remember there being like a weekends. I remember there being like a few shows after the rodeo that I kind of few shows after the rodeo that I kind of few shows after the rodeo that I kind of like small things. Like we you'd have in like small things. Like we you'd have in like small things. Like we you'd have in something like El Dorado or something like El Dorado or something like El Dorado or » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » small community around here. And I was » small community around here. And I was » small community around here. And I was like, "Oh, that's cool." Um like, "Oh, that's cool." Um like, "Oh, that's cool." Um but it was probably when I I bet I was 8 but it was probably when I I bet I was 8 but it was probably when I I bet I was 8 or 9 when Garth came to the Kansas or 9 when Garth came to the Kansas or 9 when Garth came to the Kansas Coliseum and it was the big '90s tour Coliseum and it was the big '90s tour Coliseum and it was the big '90s tour where he flew over the audience and it where he flew over the audience and it where he flew over the audience and it was just was just was just it was just wild. And I remember it was just wild. And I remember it was just wild. And I remember thinking like, "This is so cool." But I thinking like, "This is so cool." But I thinking like, "This is so cool." But I remember my memories aren't of him. remember my memories aren't of him. remember my memories aren't of him. They were of all the people. Like it was They were of all the people. Like it was They were of all the people. Like it was like I remember some stranger put like I remember some stranger put like I remember some stranger put Christian on his shoulders because like Christian on his shoulders because like Christian on his shoulders because like we were all there and we were little and we were all there and we were little and we were all there and we were little and » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » but it was just kind of like it wasn't a » but it was just kind of like it wasn't a » but it was just kind of like it wasn't a party, it was just it was community. To party, it was just it was community. To party, it was just it was community. To me it was community. me it was community. me it was community. And so And so And so I grew up being a fan of a lot of I grew up being a fan of a lot of I grew up being a fan of a lot of different, you know, things in music. different, you know, things in music. different, you know, things in music. Uh Dad made me audition for the play Uh Dad made me audition for the play Uh Dad made me audition for the play when I was in sixth grade. when I was in sixth grade. when I was in sixth grade. I had I had I had prepared an R. Kelly song which prepared an R. Kelly song which prepared an R. Kelly song which obviously doesn't age well. obviously doesn't age well. obviously doesn't age well. I got up to do the audition. I forgot I got up to do the audition. I forgot I got up to do the audition. I forgot all the words and I sang Happy Birthday all the words and I sang Happy Birthday all the words and I sang Happy Birthday to Michelle Banks. to Michelle Banks. to Michelle Banks. » Yes. » Yes. » Yes. » Uh and luckily Michelle cast me still. I » Uh and luckily Michelle cast me still. I » Uh and luckily Michelle cast me still. I think everyone got cast, but I got a think everyone got cast, but I got a think everyone got cast, but I got a role. role. role. » Theater teacher at high school at that » Theater teacher at high school at that » Theater teacher at high school at that time » she used to be I think a teacher in the » she used to be I think a teacher in the » she used to be I think a teacher in the district, but she did the plays and district, but she did the plays and district, but she did the plays and the musicals at the time. She's been the musicals at the time. She's been the musicals at the time. She's been involved in fine arts forever. Uh she involved in fine arts forever. Uh she involved in fine arts forever. Uh she passed away several years ago. Her passed away several years ago. Her passed away several years ago. Her daughter Katie daughter Katie daughter Katie » I said Michelle. I said Katie. » I said Michelle. I said Katie. » I said Michelle. I said Katie. » Katie now, her daughter uh went and had » Katie now, her daughter uh went and had » Katie now, her daughter uh went and had a successful career on Broadway, came a successful career on Broadway, came a successful career on Broadway, came back and is working back and is working back and is working public school system in our community public school system in our community public school system in our community which I think is the greatest thing which I think is the greatest thing which I think is the greatest thing ever. ever. ever. » We need Katie on the podcast. » We need Katie on the podcast. » We need Katie on the podcast. » Yes, we do. We need Katie. Talk about » Yes, we do. We need Katie. Talk about » Yes, we do. We need Katie. Talk about some Broadway some Broadway some Broadway » Schedule that one I can drop in. » Schedule that one I can drop in. » Schedule that one I can drop in. » idea. Yeah. You can be in our audience. » idea. Yeah. You can be in our audience. » idea. Yeah. You can be in our audience. » I don't think people understand » I don't think people understand » I don't think people understand » her husband are going to listen to this, » her husband are going to listen to this, » her husband are going to listen to this, so there you go. so there you go. so there you go. » plug for Katie, but also something we're » plug for Katie, but also something we're » plug for Katie, but also something we're going to do in El Dorado this summer. Um going to do in El Dorado this summer. Um going to do in El Dorado this summer. Um like in our in the entertainment world, like in our in the entertainment world, like in our in the entertainment world, everyone knows like Broadway talent is everyone knows like Broadway talent is everyone knows like Broadway talent is the most elite. the most elite. the most elite. » Mhm. » Mhm. » Mhm. » The most precise, the most like » The most precise, the most like » The most precise, the most like probably 10 times more than most major probably 10 times more than most major probably 10 times more than most major touring artists that you know and love. touring artists that you know and love. touring artists that you know and love. » I mean, it's all live. » I mean, it's all live. » I mean, it's all live. » It's eight shows a week. They are not » It's eight shows a week. They are not » It's eight shows a week. They are not allowed to have allowed to have allowed to have misses. I mean, they can lose their job. misses. I mean, they can lose their job. misses. I mean, they can lose their job. Like it's it's it's crazy. Yeah. So, the Like it's it's it's crazy. Yeah. So, the Like it's it's it's crazy. Yeah. So, the fact that she did that, I mean, I I fact that she did that, I mean, I I fact that she did that, I mean, I I think I've said it before. That's like think I've said it before. That's like think I've said it before. That's like the equivalent of someone from here the equivalent of someone from here the equivalent of someone from here going having like an NFL career and going having like an NFL career and going having like an NFL career and coming back. I mean, that's coming back. I mean, that's coming back. I mean, that's it's cream of the crop. And anyways, it's cream of the crop. And anyways, it's cream of the crop. And anyways, real quick, there's going to real quick, there's going to real quick, there's going to be lots of sidebars. be lots of sidebars. be lots of sidebars. » Say happy birthday. » Say happy birthday. » Say happy birthday. » Yeah, say happy birthday, but real quick » Yeah, say happy birthday, but real quick » Yeah, say happy birthday, but real quick on Katie. So, on Katie. So, on Katie. So, and I'll circle back to this. In my and I'll circle back to this. In my and I'll circle back to this. In my journey in Nashville 10 years ago, journey in Nashville 10 years ago, journey in Nashville 10 years ago, a gal named Laura Bell Bundy and I a gal named Laura Bell Bundy and I a gal named Laura Bell Bundy and I became friends. She had recorded a became friends. She had recorded a became friends. She had recorded a project with Universal Music Group. Uh project with Universal Music Group. Uh project with Universal Music Group. Uh it was really well received, had a lot it was really well received, had a lot it was really well received, had a lot of success. We became buddies, but she of success. We became buddies, but she of success. We became buddies, but she was the original Elle Woods in Legally was the original Elle Woods in Legally was the original Elle Woods in Legally Blonde the Musical. She was one of the Blonde the Musical. She was one of the Blonde the Musical. She was one of the original Glindas in Wicked. She was in original Glindas in Wicked. She was in original Glindas in Wicked. She was in the original cast of Hairspray. Like all the original cast of Hairspray. Like all the original cast of Hairspray. Like all these shows that weren't just like big these shows that weren't just like big these shows that weren't just like big on Broadway, but were like pop culture on Broadway, but were like pop culture on Broadway, but were like pop culture like big success. big success. big success. Um Um Um and she became a dear friend and I adore and she became a dear friend and I adore and she became a dear friend and I adore her, but we're going to do a show at the her, but we're going to do a show at the her, but we're going to do a show at the Performing Arts Center this summer. You Performing Arts Center this summer. You Performing Arts Center this summer. You get the exclusive. get the exclusive. get the exclusive. » Let's go. » Let's go. » Let's go. » But we're going to do it at the » But we're going to do it at the » But we're going to do it at the Performing Arts Center July 10th on a Performing Arts Center July 10th on a Performing Arts Center July 10th on a Friday night. So, she's going to do it Friday night. So, she's going to do it Friday night. So, she's going to do it like Broadway Cabaret. We're going to do like Broadway Cabaret. We're going to do like Broadway Cabaret. We're going to do songs and stories where I'm going to songs and stories where I'm going to songs and stories where I'm going to moderate some conversation cuz there's moderate some conversation cuz there's moderate some conversation cuz there's so many so many so many incredible stories in her career. Like incredible stories in her career. Like incredible stories in her career. Like she made her debut when she was maybe 9 she made her debut when she was maybe 9 she made her debut when she was maybe 9 years old and her understudy was Britney years old and her understudy was Britney years old and her understudy was Britney Spears. And then her second understudy Spears. And then her second understudy Spears. And then her second understudy was Natalie Portman. was Natalie Portman. was Natalie Portman. » Wow. » Wow. » Wow. » but we're going to do that July 10th and » but we're going to do that July 10th and » but we're going to do that July 10th and she's going to do a master class with she's going to do a master class with she's going to do a master class with Katie's Kids. Katie's Kids. Katie's Kids. » Beautiful. » Beautiful. » Beautiful. » So » So » So anyways, I'm pumped about that. So this anyways, I'm pumped about that. So this anyways, I'm pumped about that. So this is when you ask such a We got a lot to is when you ask such a We got a lot to is when you ask such a We got a lot to cover. cover. cover. » saying happy birthday » saying happy birthday » saying happy birthday » Saying happy birthday. » Saying happy birthday. » Saying happy birthday. » We got a 5-hour long podcast. » We got a 5-hour long podcast. » We got a 5-hour long podcast. » This actually is » This actually is » This actually is uh uh uh » There'll be a part two. » There'll be a part two. » There'll be a part two. » There'll be a » There'll be a » There'll be a » » » » part three. » part three. » part three. Saying happy birthday, Michelle was the Saying happy birthday, Michelle was the Saying happy birthday, Michelle was the one that really introduced to a lot of one that really introduced to a lot of one that really introduced to a lot of us like, yeah, you're performing, but us like, yeah, you're performing, but us like, yeah, you're performing, but there are people that get paid really there are people that get paid really there are people that get paid really good money to be sound engineers and good money to be sound engineers and good money to be sound engineers and lighting engineers and not just in the lighting engineers and not just in the lighting engineers and not just in theater, but in like entertainment. I theater, but in like entertainment. I theater, but in like entertainment. I mean there's there's mean there's there's mean there's there's thousands of jobs thousands of jobs thousands of jobs um which started to just get my mind um which started to just get my mind um which started to just get my mind thinking like, what does that look like? thinking like, what does that look like? thinking like, what does that look like? I mean, obviously when it comes to I mean, obviously when it comes to I mean, obviously when it comes to marketing, you have to market these marketing, you have to market these marketing, you have to market these artists. You have to market these artists. You have to market these artists. You have to market these projects. There's all of these projects. There's all of these projects. There's all of these things that uh could be possible. And things that uh could be possible. And things that uh could be possible. And growing up in a growing up in a growing up in a you know, on a ranch in a community like you know, on a ranch in a community like you know, on a ranch in a community like Eldorado, it's it feels very far. Eldorado, it's it feels very far. Eldorado, it's it feels very far. » Yep. » Yep. » Yep. » Um I always tell people I was an Oprah » Um I always tell people I was an Oprah » Um I always tell people I was an Oprah show kid, meaning my mom had the Oprah show kid, meaning my mom had the Oprah show kid, meaning my mom had the Oprah show on generally like at 4:00 in the show on generally like at 4:00 in the show on generally like at 4:00 in the house. And if you were home at that time house. And if you were home at that time house. And if you were home at that time from practice or whatever, from practice or whatever, from practice or whatever, usually you're doing homework in the usually you're doing homework in the usually you're doing homework in the kitchen and you kind of like hear it see kitchen and you kind of like hear it see kitchen and you kind of like hear it see it in the background. it in the background. it in the background. I feel like because it was before social I feel like because it was before social I feel like because it was before social media and all the access we have, that's media and all the access we have, that's media and all the access we have, that's really where you I kind of started to be really where you I kind of started to be really where you I kind of started to be like, huh. There's a lot of different like, huh. There's a lot of different like, huh. There's a lot of different people in a lot of different places and people in a lot of different places and people in a lot of different places and a lot of different things out in the a lot of different things out in the a lot of different things out in the world. world. world. » It's a big place. » It's a big place. » It's a big place. » Which I just was like, » Which I just was like, » Which I just was like, I'm a very curious kid and still feel I'm a very curious kid and still feel I'm a very curious kid and still feel that way. That that's still the child in that way. That that's still the child in that way. That that's still the child in me. Like I just I'm like, how does this me. Like I just I'm like, how does this me. Like I just I'm like, how does this work? And who is this person? And I work? And who is this person? And I work? And who is this person? And I always wanted to see things with my own always wanted to see things with my own always wanted to see things with my own two eyes. Like loved reading books, two eyes. Like loved reading books, two eyes. Like loved reading books, loved to gathering information, but I'm loved to gathering information, but I'm loved to gathering information, but I'm kind of like a skeptic until I could see kind of like a skeptic until I could see kind of like a skeptic until I could see it and be like, this checks out or and it and be like, this checks out or and it and be like, this checks out or and even that doesn't always tell the full even that doesn't always tell the full even that doesn't always tell the full story. But that was always like story. But that was always like story. But that was always like just how I'm built and still to this just how I'm built and still to this just how I'm built and still to this day. Um day. Um day. Um And so anyways, And so anyways, And so anyways, through all of that was kind of trying through all of that was kind of trying through all of that was kind of trying to figure out well, what does this look to figure out well, what does this look to figure out well, what does this look like for me? And I really didn't think like for me? And I really didn't think like for me? And I really didn't think that I would have that opportunity cuz I that I would have that opportunity cuz I that I would have that opportunity cuz I just didn't know how that was going to just didn't know how that was going to just didn't know how that was going to play out. Um play out. Um play out. Um But Jean Plummer, who I just I'm back in But Jean Plummer, who I just I'm back in But Jean Plummer, who I just I'm back in town cuz I did the prayer breakfast for town cuz I did the prayer breakfast for town cuz I did the prayer breakfast for Jean. Jean. Jean. She was a part of the Frontier Western She was a part of the Frontier Western She was a part of the Frontier Western celebration, which was one of the celebration, which was one of the celebration, which was one of the festivals in the community where they festivals in the community where they festivals in the community where they had a rodeo, they had shows, you know, had a rodeo, they had shows, you know, had a rodeo, they had shows, you know, all the small town fair stuff. all the small town fair stuff. all the small town fair stuff. And she had asked me if I wanted to And she had asked me if I wanted to And she had asked me if I wanted to volunteer on the committee my senior volunteer on the committee my senior volunteer on the committee my senior year and said that they wanted to do a year and said that they wanted to do a year and said that they wanted to do a show and I was like, I'd love to help show and I was like, I'd love to help show and I was like, I'd love to help with that. And they were like, that's with that. And they were like, that's with that. And they were like, that's great, go do it. So we raised got some great, go do it. So we raised got some great, go do it. So we raised got some sponsorship dollars. I think we had like sponsorship dollars. I think we had like sponsorship dollars. I think we had like $20,000 to spend on talent, which is a $20,000 to spend on talent, which is a $20,000 to spend on talent, which is a lot, but in the scheme of like booking lot, but in the scheme of like booking lot, but in the scheme of like booking talent is talent is talent is not very much. not very much. not very much. » real quick. » real quick. » real quick. » Um » Um » Um But I reached out to William Morris and But I reached out to William Morris and But I reached out to William Morris and started going back and forth with them started going back and forth with them started going back and forth with them about this budget and what we could do. about this budget and what we could do. about this budget and what we could do. And I don't think they realized that I And I don't think they realized that I And I don't think they realized that I was 17 years old and I still have was 17 years old and I still have was 17 years old and I still have the contract with William Morris that I the contract with William Morris that I the contract with William Morris that I signed on our behalf. I don't know if it signed on our behalf. I don't know if it signed on our behalf. I don't know if it was their negligence was their negligence was their negligence or our like whose it was. or our like whose it was. or our like whose it was. » 17-year-old » 17-year-old » 17-year-old » But it was cuz like William Morris is a » But it was cuz like William Morris is a » But it was cuz like William Morris is a big institution. I mean, it's a it's big institution. I mean, it's a it's big institution. I mean, it's a it's big business. business. business. » Mhm. » Mhm. » Mhm. » Um » Um » Um And so anyways, that kind of got the And so anyways, that kind of got the And so anyways, that kind of got the ball rolling on a few things, but what ball rolling on a few things, but what ball rolling on a few things, but what it did was I we needed to buy some it did was I we needed to buy some it did was I we needed to buy some advertising to promote the show and the advertising to promote the show and the advertising to promote the show and the festival. And so we bought some with festival. And so we bought some with festival. And so we bought some with Clear Channel at the time, which owned a Clear Channel at the time, which owned a Clear Channel at the time, which owned a variety of radio stations in Wichita, variety of radio stations in Wichita, variety of radio stations in Wichita, KSN being one of them. And KSN being one of them. And KSN being one of them. And Pat Richmond, who was the account Pat Richmond, who was the account Pat Richmond, who was the account executive for us, had said to me after executive for us, had said to me after executive for us, had said to me after like, "You should come intern with us." like, "You should come intern with us." like, "You should come intern with us." And I was like, I'd love to. Like, why And I was like, I'd love to. Like, why And I was like, I'd love to. Like, why not? That's interesting and college not? That's interesting and college not? That's interesting and college I was taking classes, but it just didn't I was taking classes, but it just didn't I was taking classes, but it just didn't make sense for me. Like, it just make sense for me. Like, it just make sense for me. Like, it just I I was going for strategic I I was going for strategic I I was going for strategic communications and it was like met like communications and it was like met like communications and it was like met like meta, Facebook, everything was coming meta, Facebook, everything was coming meta, Facebook, everything was coming out and I'm like, out and I'm like, out and I'm like, » This is going to change a lot. » This is going to change a lot. » This is going to change a lot. » » » » If I wanted to be like an attorney or a » If I wanted to be like an attorney or a » If I wanted to be like an attorney or a doctor or something, I would have doctor or something, I would have doctor or something, I would have totally been more driven, I think. But totally been more driven, I think. But totally been more driven, I think. But so anyways, I take the internship, still so anyways, I take the internship, still so anyways, I take the internship, still in school. in school. in school. I'm going to try to fast forward through I'm going to try to fast forward through I'm going to try to fast forward through all this. all this. all this. » » » » Ended up » Ended up » Ended up getting like during the internship, they send like during the internship, they send like during the internship, they send big country shows to Nashville do the big country shows to Nashville do the big country shows to Nashville do the CMA Awards broadcast. CMA Awards broadcast. CMA Awards broadcast. And Wichita is a big market for country, And Wichita is a big market for country, And Wichita is a big market for country, at least at that time. It was like a at least at that time. It was like a at least at that time. It was like a driving factor in kind of like making or driving factor in kind of like making or driving factor in kind of like making or breaking artists. breaking artists. breaking artists. Um not like Wichita among maybe Um not like Wichita among maybe Um not like Wichita among maybe 30 to 40 markets. But country radio, 30 to 40 markets. But country radio, 30 to 40 markets. But country radio, those stations really at the time, those stations really at the time, those stations really at the time, before streaming, made or before streaming, made or before streaming, made or you know, made the success of an artist you know, made the success of an artist you know, made the success of an artist or not. And so their morning show was or not. And so their morning show was or not. And so their morning show was going out to do the CMA Awards. The tech going out to do the CMA Awards. The tech going out to do the CMA Awards. The tech who was supposed to go like do who was supposed to go like do who was supposed to go like do everything Tyler does back there. Well, everything Tyler does back there. Well, everything Tyler does back there. Well, it was a lot easier. it was a lot easier. it was a lot easier. Actually, might have been more Actually, might have been more Actually, might have been more difficult. I don't know. difficult. I don't know. difficult. I don't know. But putting that together got sick and they putting that together got sick and they putting that together got sick and they needed someone to go like plug in cords needed someone to go like plug in cords needed someone to go like plug in cords and get coffee. [snorts] And they asked and get coffee. [snorts] And they asked and get coffee. [snorts] And they asked me to do it. It was like last minute and me to do it. It was like last minute and me to do it. It was like last minute and what happened was we did the show, what happened was we did the show, what happened was we did the show, did the shows throughout the week did the shows throughout the week did the shows throughout the week actually where the Bobby Bones Show was actually where the Bobby Bones Show was actually where the Bobby Bones Show was forever. forever. forever. Down on Music Row and there were two Down on Music Row and there were two Down on Music Row and there were two women and a a on the show. women and a a on the show. women and a a on the show. And one of the one of the co-hosts, one And one of the one of the co-hosts, one And one of the one of the co-hosts, one of the gals, was not of the gals, was not of the gals, was not participating well with the other. participating well with the other. participating well with the other. And the other being Kathy Carrier, who And the other being Kathy Carrier, who And the other being Kathy Carrier, who like in my book at the time, Wichita like in my book at the time, Wichita like in my book at the time, Wichita Broadcasting legend. Her dad was like Broadcasting legend. Her dad was like Broadcasting legend. Her dad was like the most famous weatherman in like the most famous weatherman in like the most famous weatherman in like » Really? » Really? » Really? » Wichita. Yeah, Cecil Carrier. And then » Wichita. Yeah, Cecil Carrier. And then » Wichita. Yeah, Cecil Carrier. And then she was like weatherwoman across the she was like weatherwoman across the she was like weatherwoman across the state. I mean, she was syndicated and state. I mean, she was syndicated and state. I mean, she was syndicated and like on stations everywhere. like on stations everywhere. like on stations everywhere. Anyways, it's the day after Anyways, it's the day after Anyways, it's the day after the award show and we are um the award show and we are um the award show and we are um we stayed up all night. we stayed up all night. we stayed up all night. I was not legal to drink, but I drank. I was not legal to drink, but I drank. I was not legal to drink, but I drank. And we went uh to the after-parties and And we went uh to the after-parties and And we went uh to the after-parties and then we went to the hotel and we got in then we went to the hotel and we got in then we went to the hotel and we got in at like 3:00 a.m. Well, we were getting at like 3:00 a.m. Well, we were getting at like 3:00 a.m. Well, we were getting picked up at 4:00 a.m. to go down to do picked up at 4:00 a.m. to go down to do picked up at 4:00 a.m. to go down to do the show. So, we just stayed up. the show. So, we just stayed up. the show. So, we just stayed up. And so, if you're tracking, I was still And so, if you're tracking, I was still And so, if you're tracking, I was still buzzing a little bit buzzing a little bit buzzing a little bit » » » » and maybe a little brave. Uh » and maybe a little brave. Uh » and maybe a little brave. Uh but I just took the microphone from the but I just took the microphone from the but I just took the microphone from the gal who was kind of throwing a fit all gal who was kind of throwing a fit all gal who was kind of throwing a fit all week and I started weighing in and doing week and I started weighing in and doing week and I started weighing in and doing the show with Kathy and Anthony. And I the show with Kathy and Anthony. And I the show with Kathy and Anthony. And I got in trouble not by them, but by our got in trouble not by them, but by our got in trouble not by them, but by our station manager back in Wichita. But a station manager back in Wichita. But a station manager back in Wichita. But a month later, they offered me a spot on month later, they offered me a spot on month later, they offered me a spot on the morning show. the morning show. the morning show. » » » » So, » So, » So, that then started kind of like, you that then started kind of like, you that then started kind of like, you know, I got in I worked in the know, I got in I worked in the know, I got in I worked in the promotions department, did that. promotions department, did that. promotions department, did that. Eventually was a music director. Music Eventually was a music director. Music Eventually was a music director. Music directors really where I made a lot of directors really where I made a lot of directors really where I made a lot of like key relationships early on. like key relationships early on. like key relationships early on. » And what does that mean, a music » And what does that mean, a music » And what does that mean, a music director's role? director's role? director's role? » director um will work with the record » director um will work with the record » director um will work with the record labels and the artist on what songs go labels and the artist on what songs go labels and the artist on what songs go to radio. So, when you hear like a to radio. So, when you hear like a to radio. So, when you hear like a single from an artist, I always tell single from an artist, I always tell single from an artist, I always tell people and it's kind of changing people and it's kind of changing people and it's kind of changing obviously with obviously with obviously with streaming, streaming, streaming, but you'll have an album come out and but you'll have an album come out and but you'll have an album come out and you'd only hear two or three songs at you'd only hear two or three songs at you'd only hear two or three songs at most on the radio. There's a lot of most on the radio. There's a lot of most on the radio. There's a lot of songs you don't ever hear played on the songs you don't ever hear played on the songs you don't ever hear played on the radio. Well, those songs don't get radio. Well, those songs don't get radio. Well, those songs don't get delivered to radio as singles. And so we delivered to radio as singles. And so we delivered to radio as singles. And so we would work to help determine what songs would work to help determine what songs would work to help determine what songs would go from an album to radio. And would go from an album to radio. And would go from an album to radio. And then essentially we're helping determine the essentially we're helping determine the essentially we're helping determine the success of that song and the charting of success of that song and the charting of success of that song and the charting of that song. A song would get added and it that song. A song would get added and it that song. A song would get added and it might be in a light rotation and then might be in a light rotation and then might be in a light rotation and then they're working into a medium rotation they're working into a medium rotation they're working into a medium rotation and then heavy and then power. If it and then heavy and then power. If it and then heavy and then power. If it makes it to power rotation, you're makes it to power rotation, you're makes it to power rotation, you're usually competing between some usually competing between some usually competing between some superstars for who's going to get the superstars for who's going to get the superstars for who's going to get the number one spot. And what they're trying number one spot. And what they're trying number one spot. And what they're trying to do is they're trying to get a number to do is they're trying to get a number to do is they're trying to get a number one. And then it's like, you know, one. And then it's like, you know, one. And then it's like, you know, Carrie Underwood has 30 number one Carrie Underwood has 30 number one Carrie Underwood has 30 number one singles. Like that feathers in the cap singles. Like that feathers in the cap singles. Like that feathers in the cap that they all want. And so that's really that they all want. And so that's really that they all want. And so that's really So you're working with primarily folks So you're working with primarily folks So you're working with primarily folks from the record label, but you're also from the record label, but you're also from the record label, but you're also working sometimes with management, working sometimes with management, working sometimes with management, artists. And it really unlocks artists. And it really unlocks artists. And it really unlocks it opens the door to put you at the it opens the door to put you at the it opens the door to put you at the table at times with people that you table at times with people that you table at times with people that you wouldn't. And that's where a lot of my wouldn't. And that's where a lot of my wouldn't. And that's where a lot of my relationships started relationships started relationships started » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » to unfold. But the I was so fortunate to » to unfold. But the I was so fortunate to » to unfold. But the I was so fortunate to work at KZSN. It had at the time it was work at KZSN. It had at the time it was work at KZSN. It had at the time it was Clear Channel when I interned. Bob Clear Channel when I interned. Bob Clear Channel when I interned. Bob Pittman who ran MTV and created like the Pittman who ran MTV and created like the Pittman who ran MTV and created like the music video and all of TRL, that whole music video and all of TRL, that whole music video and all of TRL, that whole era in the 90s, came in to lead iHeart. era in the 90s, came in to lead iHeart. era in the 90s, came in to lead iHeart. They rebranded iHeart. They talked about They rebranded iHeart. They talked about They rebranded iHeart. They talked about it's so funny like I haven't thought it's so funny like I haven't thought it's so funny like I haven't thought about this forever. about this forever. about this forever. Like they're going to create an app. they're going to create an app. they're going to create an app. » Oh, right. » Oh, right. » Oh, right. » And you're going to be able to listen to » And you're going to be able to listen to » And you're going to be able to listen to the radio on the app. And everyone's the radio on the app. And everyone's the radio on the app. And everyone's like, "Whatever." Like it's, you know, like, "Whatever." Like it's, you know, like, "Whatever." Like it's, you know, » No one will do that. » No one will do that. » No one will do that. » It was also at the time Facebook was » It was also at the time Facebook was » It was also at the time Facebook was starting to gain traction. And I starting to gain traction. And I starting to gain traction. And I remember one of the last calls I was on remember one of the last calls I was on remember one of the last calls I was on was like, was like, was like, "Here in a few years we are going to be "Here in a few years we are going to be "Here in a few years we are going to be social media social media social media » Mhm. » Mhm. » Mhm. » uh accounts that happen to have radio » uh accounts that happen to have radio » uh accounts that happen to have radio stations versus radio stations that social media versus radio stations that social media versus radio stations that social media accounts. accounts. accounts. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And that's kind of been true. I mean, » And that's kind of been true. I mean, » And that's kind of been true. I mean, that's, you know, that's, you know, that's, you know, iHeart now is iHeart now is iHeart now is yeah, whole different company. yeah, whole different company. yeah, whole different company. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » But, the thing about it in places like » But, the thing about it in places like » But, the thing about it in places like Wichita, Kansas City, Dallas, those Wichita, Kansas City, Dallas, those Wichita, Kansas City, Dallas, those markets, I worked there. We were in the markets, I worked there. We were in the markets, I worked there. We were in the old Pizza Hut corporate headquarters, old Pizza Hut corporate headquarters, old Pizza Hut corporate headquarters, and it was a full on-air staff on every and it was a full on-air staff on every and it was a full on-air staff on every station. station. station. There were There were There were sales people everywhere. I mean, it was sales people everywhere. I mean, it was sales people everywhere. I mean, it was just it was a big bustling just it was a big bustling just it was a big bustling environment. environment. environment. But, quickly with automation and But, quickly with automation and But, quickly with automation and everything, there's now probably like everything, there's now probably like everything, there's now probably like three or four humans in a lot of those three or four humans in a lot of those three or four humans in a lot of those cuz everything's syndicated and you now cuz everything's syndicated and you now cuz everything's syndicated and you now have shows in Nashville that are, have shows in Nashville that are, have shows in Nashville that are, you know, on everywhere. But, it used to you know, on everywhere. But, it used to you know, on everywhere. But, it used to be everything was live and everything. be everything was live and everything. be everything was live and everything. And so, I it's a great privilege to me And so, I it's a great privilege to me And so, I it's a great privilege to me that I started my career in that and I that I started my career in that and I that I started my career in that and I got to experience like the last great got to experience like the last great got to experience like the last great era of like media broadcasting. era of like media broadcasting. era of like media broadcasting. » Yeah. Yeah. » Yeah. Yeah. » Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. And in that role is when That's cool. And in that role is when That's cool. And in that role is when the moment happened with the moment happened with the moment happened with » Tay. » Tay. » Tay. » Tay. » Tay. » Tay. » I'm talking about Tay. » I'm talking about Tay. » I'm talking about Tay. » » » » We love Tay. » We love Tay. » We love Tay. » I I got a photo for Tyler to throw up » I I got a photo for Tyler to throw up » I I got a photo for Tyler to throw up there. there. there. » the Taylor. » the Taylor. » the Taylor. » Look at that. » Look at that. » Look at that. » Don't they look like sisters? » Don't they look like sisters? » Don't they look like sisters? » » » » So, tell that » So, tell that » So, tell that » actually my favorite photo one of my » actually my favorite photo one of my » actually my favorite photo one of my favorite photos from my career. favorite photos from my career. favorite photos from my career. » of all time. » of all time. » of all time. » So, I heard another side of this story. » So, I heard another side of this story. » So, I heard another side of this story. » and she looks the exact same. » and she looks the exact same. » and she looks the exact same. » She is. I mean, the rest of us look » She is. I mean, the rest of us look » She is. I mean, the rest of us look » We all changed a bit. » We all changed a bit. » We all changed a bit. » old, but she looks the same. » old, but she looks the same. » old, but she looks the same. » So, » So, » So, » So, you tell that story that I'll tell » So, you tell that story that I'll tell » So, you tell that story that I'll tell you a version from Kaylee that I heard. you a version from Kaylee that I heard. you a version from Kaylee that I heard. » But, you tell that story. » But, you tell that story. » But, you tell that story. » So, my recollection » So, my recollection » So, my recollection » my wife with Taylor Swift. » my wife with Taylor Swift. » my wife with Taylor Swift. » Yeah. My recollection was » Yeah. My recollection was » Yeah. My recollection was I think Kaylee was working down at I think Kaylee was working down at I think Kaylee was working down at Jacob's Well at the time, which was a Jacob's Well at the time, which was a Jacob's Well at the time, which was a cafe here in El Dorado. And cafe here in El Dorado. And cafe here in El Dorado. And she was doing some photography. she was doing some photography. she was doing some photography. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And I remember I I've known Kaylee » And I remember I I've known Kaylee » And I remember I I've known Kaylee » of people think she worked there. She » of people think she worked there. She » of people think she worked there. She worked there one evening. She lived worked there one evening. She lived worked there one evening. She lived upstairs. She was just always there. upstairs. She was just always there. upstairs. She was just always there. » She was there. I'm things. » She was there. I'm things. » She was there. I'm things. » like one evening I think helped out but » like one evening I think helped out but » like one evening I think helped out but she was like running it down there. she was like running it down there. she was like running it down there. » No. » No. » No. Um Um Um but she I knew she was doing photography but she I knew she was doing photography but she I knew she was doing photography and I I she was in my little brother's and I I she was in my little brother's and I I she was in my little brother's class and just have adored her growing class and just have adored her growing class and just have adored her growing up. up. up. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And that's I say that because usually » And that's I say that because usually » And that's I say that because usually when you bring people into like that when you bring people into like that when you bring people into like that world, you just want to make sure world, you just want to make sure world, you just want to make sure they're not weird. they're not weird. they're not weird. » » » » And I was like Haley checks out. She'll » And I was like Haley checks out. She'll » And I was like Haley checks out. She'll be fine. be fine. be fine. But at this point Taylor we get a phone But at this point Taylor we get a phone But at this point Taylor we get a phone call and they're like Taylor wants to call and they're like Taylor wants to call and they're like Taylor wants to come in and do the morning show with come in and do the morning show with come in and do the morning show with y'all in person. And this is a big deal y'all in person. And this is a big deal y'all in person. And this is a big deal because we're now like three four album because we're now like three four album because we're now like three four album we're like three or four like sold out we're like three or four like sold out we're like three or four like sold out tours in. tours in. tours in. » Yeah. It's the Speak Now era. » Yeah. It's the Speak Now era. » Yeah. It's the Speak Now era. » All right. » All right. » All right. » I mean it's like Taylor stuff all the » I mean it's like Taylor stuff all the » I mean it's like Taylor stuff all the time. time. time. But she's like superstar and we're like But she's like superstar and we're like But she's like superstar and we're like she's going to come do it in person? Cuz she's going to come do it in person? Cuz she's going to come do it in person? Cuz usually it you'd be lucky if she'd call usually it you'd be lucky if she'd call usually it you'd be lucky if she'd call in back in the day and do in back in the day and do in back in the day and do And so Scott's coming in Scott Borchetta And so Scott's coming in Scott Borchetta And so Scott's coming in Scott Borchetta at the time who was her label head and at the time who was her label head and at the time who was her label head and everyone was and they're like you can't everyone was and they're like you can't everyone was and they're like you can't tell anyone. Which everyone says that all the anyone. Which everyone says that all the anyone. Which everyone says that all the time in this business but you still time in this business but you still time in this business but you still tell. But like in this situation you're tell. But like in this situation you're tell. But like in this situation you're like like like » You didn't want to ruin it. » You didn't want to ruin it. » You didn't want to ruin it. » it to get out because » it to get out because » it to get out because » It would just be logistically tough » It would just be logistically tough » It would just be logistically tough if fans started to show up at the if fans started to show up at the if fans started to show up at the station. station. station. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And so anyways I didn't tell anyone but » And so anyways I didn't tell anyone but » And so anyways I didn't tell anyone but I knew we wanted to have a photographer I knew we wanted to have a photographer I knew we wanted to have a photographer there to capture everything. And so I there to capture everything. And so I there to capture everything. And so I reach out to Haley and I said hey we reach out to Haley and I said hey we reach out to Haley and I said hey we have this event over at I Heart tomorrow have this event over at I Heart tomorrow have this event over at I Heart tomorrow and we have someone coming in we're and we have someone coming in we're and we have someone coming in we're going to do kind of a little theater set going to do kind of a little theater set going to do kind of a little theater set up live version taping interview like up live version taping interview like up live version taping interview like can you come over and do the photos? And can you come over and do the photos? And can you come over and do the photos? And she's like oh she's being so sweet. I so she's like oh she's being so sweet. I so she's like oh she's being so sweet. I so appreciate you thinking of me but I'm appreciate you thinking of me but I'm appreciate you thinking of me but I'm kind of busy. kind of busy. kind of busy. Yeah like she was just clear and like Yeah like she was just clear and like Yeah like she was just clear and like I'm kind of busy and I'm kind of busy and I'm kind of busy and » » » » I'm like no. » I'm like no. » I'm like no. Haley I don't think you're busy. Haley I don't think you're busy. Haley I don't think you're busy. I don't think you want to be like I I don't think you want to be like I I don't think you want to be like I think you want to do this. think you want to do this. think you want to do this. Um Um Um She's like, "What?" Like it was I She's like, "What?" Like it was I She's like, "What?" Like it was I there's some kind of back and forth like there's some kind of back and forth like there's some kind of back and forth like that. that. that. » And I just remember being like, "I think » And I just remember being like, "I think » And I just remember being like, "I think you'll be glad you made time to come to you'll be glad you made time to come to you'll be glad you made time to come to it." And so she came over and did it. it." And so she came over and did it. it." And so she came over and did it. And I don't remember at what point that And I don't remember at what point that And I don't remember at what point that I actually did tell her. I know when she I actually did tell her. I know when she I actually did tell her. I know when she got there she picked up on it cuz we had got there she picked up on it cuz we had got there she picked up on it cuz we had in that photo there's signage. Like we in that photo there's signage. Like we in that photo there's signage. Like we had a bunch of stuff printed and made. had a bunch of stuff printed and made. had a bunch of stuff printed and made. » like the » like the » like the Yeah, well I guess they're Yeah, well I guess they're Yeah, well I guess they're banner, but yeah. banner, but yeah. banner, but yeah. » Anyways, when you came in you instantly » Anyways, when you came in you instantly » Anyways, when you came in you instantly knew. knew. knew. They kind of moved you in. We had some They kind of moved you in. We had some They kind of moved you in. We had some security people and they're like, security people and they're like, security people and they're like, » » » » "Taylor's going to be here." And she's » "Taylor's going to be here." And she's » "Taylor's going to be here." And she's like, "What?" like, "What?" like, "What?" Uh but she took great photos and it's Uh but she took great photos and it's Uh but she took great photos and it's funny I actually found funny I actually found funny I actually found when I was moving some stuff recently when I was moving some stuff recently when I was moving some stuff recently the CD full of the original photos that the CD full of the original photos that the CD full of the original photos that she took. And I'm like, "Ah." she took. And I'm like, "Ah." she took. And I'm like, "Ah." » Yeah, I told her I was like she needs to » Yeah, I told her I was like she needs to » Yeah, I told her I was like she needs to go find those cuz I want to see all the go find those cuz I want to see all the go find those cuz I want to see all the other photos. other photos. other photos. » still they're my favorite. » still they're my favorite. » still they're my favorite. » Yeah, cuz there's some » Yeah, cuz there's some » Yeah, cuz there's some obviously great photos of Taylor and I. obviously great photos of Taylor and I. obviously great photos of Taylor and I. » » » » But like just crazy. » But like just crazy. » But like just crazy. That was such a crazy time. And she was That was such a crazy time. And she was That was such a crazy time. And she was so cool. so cool. so cool. I mean she's the greatest. Like I I not I mean she's the greatest. Like I I not I mean she's the greatest. Like I I not that you want to sit here and talk about that you want to sit here and talk about that you want to sit here and talk about Taylor Swift, but Taylor Swift, but Taylor Swift, but I feel like there was a few situations I feel like there was a few situations I feel like there was a few situations early on. She and I were about the same early on. She and I were about the same early on. She and I were about the same age. age. age. And like I was really young working on And like I was really young working on And like I was really young working on that side of the industry. And obviously that side of the industry. And obviously that side of the industry. And obviously she was really young as an artist. And she was really young as an artist. And she was really young as an artist. And there were times that there would I there were times that there would I there were times that there would I would just get some attention and love would just get some attention and love would just get some attention and love from her and her mom and her family. And from her and her mom and her family. And from her and her mom and her family. And I feel like that I feel like that I feel like that » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » just by proximity. » just by proximity. » just by proximity. » Sure. » Sure. » Sure. » "Oh, who's this kid?" » "Oh, who's this kid?" » "Oh, who's this kid?" » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Um but she is » Um but she is » Um but she is incredible. And I tell people all the incredible. And I tell people all the incredible. And I tell people all the time my last like direct interaction and time my last like direct interaction and time my last like direct interaction and seeing her in person was right before seeing her in person was right before seeing her in person was right before COVID. COVID. COVID. And she is And she is And she is the most [snorts] genuine, sincere, the most [snorts] genuine, sincere, the most [snorts] genuine, sincere, like such high character, high like such high character, high like such high character, high integrity, and like as normal as you can integrity, and like as normal as you can integrity, and like as normal as you can be for her life being not be for her life being not be for her life being not » Sure. » Sure. » Sure. » Cuz there's something that happens in an » Cuz there's something that happens in an » Cuz there's something that happens in an artist like that where you go from you artist like that where you go from you artist like that where you go from you want to have success and sell out arenas want to have success and sell out arenas want to have success and sell out arenas and all that, but then like and all that, but then like and all that, but then like the zeitgeist, whatever, like sucks you the zeitgeist, whatever, like sucks you the zeitgeist, whatever, like sucks you in in in and then you're at the point in the game and then you're at the point in the game and then you're at the point in the game where it's like you where it's like you where it's like you if you retreat, they almost might be if you retreat, they almost might be if you retreat, they almost might be more fascinated with you, which could more fascinated with you, which could more fascinated with you, which could cause it to be more difficult. And I just it to be more difficult. And I just it to be more difficult. And I just think she has think she has think she has ridden the wave with such grace. And ridden the wave with such grace. And ridden the wave with such grace. And obviously, I think like I think she's obviously, I think like I think she's obviously, I think like I think she's the most prolific songwriter of our the most prolific songwriter of our the most prolific songwriter of our time. time. time. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » I really do. » I really do. » I really do. » Well, Hayley's version I I talked to her » Well, Hayley's version I I talked to her » Well, Hayley's version I I talked to her about it last night. I was like, "Hey, about it last night. I was like, "Hey, about it last night. I was like, "Hey, fill or two nights fill or two nights fill or two nights » Yeah, I want to hear this. » Yeah, I want to hear this. » Yeah, I want to hear this. » Fill in the gaps cuz we haven't talked » Fill in the gaps cuz we haven't talked » Fill in the gaps cuz we haven't talked about it in forever." And she's like about it in forever." And she's like about it in forever." And she's like trying to remember it all, and she's trying to remember it all, and she's trying to remember it all, and she's like, "I wasn't even a Taylor fan." like, "I wasn't even a Taylor fan." like, "I wasn't even a Taylor fan." She's like, "I knew she was, but I She's like, "I knew she was, but I She's like, "I knew she was, but I hadn't even really listened to much of hadn't even really listened to much of hadn't even really listened to much of her music." And I didn't know that. her music." And I didn't know that. her music." And I didn't know that. » was like, "That's crazy cuz now she's » was like, "That's crazy cuz now she's » was like, "That's crazy cuz now she's the biggest the biggest the biggest » That's what cooler. » That's what cooler. » That's what cooler. » Yeah, she's the biggest Swiftie I know. » Yeah, she's the biggest Swiftie I know. » Yeah, she's the biggest Swiftie I know. No, that's not true. David Delner's the No, that's not true. David Delner's the No, that's not true. David Delner's the biggest Swiftie I know. That was That's biggest Swiftie I know. That was That's biggest Swiftie I know. That was That's for Delner. for Delner. for Delner. » Oh. » Oh. » Oh. » That's » That's » That's » » » » I'm aware. Now that you say that, I » I'm aware. Now that you say that, I » I'm aware. Now that you say that, I forgot. forgot. forgot. » So she goes and take the photos. Uh » So she goes and take the photos. Uh » So she goes and take the photos. Uh yeah, there's like all these people yeah, there's like all these people yeah, there's like all these people sitting watching the interview. She was sitting watching the interview. She was sitting watching the interview. She was reminding me of that or talking about reminding me of that or talking about reminding me of that or talking about that. And she was sitting right next to that. And she was sitting right next to that. And she was sitting right next to Taylor's mom, didn't know it was Taylor's mom, didn't know it was Taylor's mom, didn't know it was Taylor's mom. Taylor's mom. Taylor's mom. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Then all of a sudden they started » Then all of a sudden they started » Then all of a sudden they started talking, and then multiple people kept talking, and then multiple people kept talking, and then multiple people kept asking her, "Are you Taylor's cousin?" asking her, "Are you Taylor's cousin?" asking her, "Are you Taylor's cousin?" Cuz she was sitting next to Taylor's Cuz she was sitting next to Taylor's Cuz she was sitting next to Taylor's mom. mom. mom. She had Yeah, right. So multiple people She had Yeah, right. So multiple people She had Yeah, right. So multiple people thought they were related, and she kept thought they were related, and she kept thought they were related, and she kept saying no, and she's like, "I should saying no, and she's like, "I should saying no, and she's like, "I should have just said yes." Like that would have just said yes." Like that would have just said yes." Like that would have been great. have been great. have been great. » Uh so she takes all the photos, everyone » Uh so she takes all the photos, everyone » Uh so she takes all the photos, everyone gets through, and this part was gets through, and this part was gets through, and this part was interesting to me. Taylor goes, "Hey, I interesting to me. Taylor goes, "Hey, I interesting to me. Taylor goes, "Hey, I want to get a photo with you." want to get a photo with you." want to get a photo with you." » I was going to say, I remember that. » I was going to say, I remember that. » I was going to say, I remember that. » And then she tells Hayley to give her » And then she tells Hayley to give her » And then she tells Hayley to give her camera to who was her agent at that camera to who was her agent at that camera to who was her agent at that time? time? time? » Uh it was probably Scott or someone with » Uh it was probably Scott or someone with » Uh it was probably Scott or someone with a a a » It was the guy that sold it the first » It was the guy that sold it the first » It was the guy that sold it the first time that time that time that she didn't like. Yeah, Scott. she didn't like. Yeah, Scott. she didn't like. Yeah, Scott. » None of us like Scott. » None of us like Scott. » None of us like Scott. » None of us like Scott. Uh but she told » None of us like Scott. Uh but she told » None of us like Scott. Uh but she told Scott to grab the camera and Scott took Scott to grab the camera and Scott took Scott to grab the camera and Scott took that photo. that photo. that photo. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Oh, he did? » Oh, he did? » Oh, he did? » Scott took that photo. I was like, "No » Scott took that photo. I was like, "No » Scott took that photo. I was like, "No way or eight way or eight way or eight » That's usually pretty big. » That's usually pretty big. » That's usually pretty big. » I know, right? Yeah, so » I know, right? Yeah, so » I know, right? Yeah, so » of Taylor Swift, that's pretty » of Taylor Swift, that's pretty » of Taylor Swift, that's pretty » Yeah, like Haley's little like And then » Yeah, like Haley's little like And then » Yeah, like Haley's little like And then what was that album release? The what was that album release? The what was that album release? The » Speak Now. » Speak Now. » Speak Now. » Speak Now. So then fast forward and I'll » Speak Now. So then fast forward and I'll » Speak Now. So then fast forward and I'll finish with this. Haley and I go to the finish with this. Haley and I go to the finish with this. Haley and I go to the Eras Tour in Kansas City and you know Eras Tour in Kansas City and you know Eras Tour in Kansas City and you know she remade all her albums and the she remade all her albums and the she remade all her albums and the release of Speak Now happened that night release of Speak Now happened that night release of Speak Now happened that night in KC. in KC. in KC. » So » So » So » So I have a video of Haley holding up » So I have a video of Haley holding up » So I have a video of Haley holding up her photo with Taylor Swift 20 ft from her photo with Taylor Swift 20 ft from her photo with Taylor Swift 20 ft from Taylor Swift cuz we were row six Taylor Swift cuz we were row six Taylor Swift cuz we were row six » you the night that » you the night that » you the night that Taylor had like the other Taylor out and Taylor had like the other Taylor out and Taylor had like the other Taylor out and the people the guest the people the guest the people the guest » We were there that So » We were there that So » We were there that So » Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. » Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. » Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » So you were the night before us. » So you were the night before us. » So you were the night before us. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » I had the same thought » I had the same thought » I had the same thought » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » from that time » from that time » from that time » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » cuz we went the night after which was » cuz we went the night after which was » cuz we went the night after which was still when she was releasing still when she was releasing still when she was releasing » Oh, wait, no, no. Who did come out? Now » Oh, wait, no, no. Who did come out? Now » Oh, wait, no, no. Who did come out? Now that you're saying that you're saying that you're saying that » All I know is and I'm not saying this is » All I know is and I'm not saying this is » All I know is and I'm not saying this is Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. a flex but they still take care of all a flex but they still take care of all a flex but they still take care of all of us of us of us » That's awesome. » That's awesome. » That's awesome. » which is so kind but I was sitting we » which is so kind but I was sitting we » which is so kind but I was sitting we were sitting like 10 rows in front of were sitting like 10 rows in front of were sitting like 10 rows in front of uh uh uh » Kelsey. » Kelsey. » Kelsey. » And it was the night that he went trying » And it was the night that he went trying » And it was the night that he went trying to meet her and she wouldn't meet him. to meet her and she wouldn't meet him. to meet her and she wouldn't meet him. And I'm like It's kind of funny cuz I And I'm like It's kind of funny cuz I And I'm like It's kind of funny cuz I have a photo of Mahomes and he right have a photo of Mahomes and he right have a photo of Mahomes and he right behind us cuz I'm like biggest Mahomes behind us cuz I'm like biggest Mahomes behind us cuz I'm like biggest Mahomes fan. fan. fan. » Yeah, yeah. » Yeah, yeah. » Yeah, yeah. » But um that's cool. » But um that's cool. » But um that's cool. » I'll give you one other fun fact about » I'll give you one other fun fact about » I'll give you one other fun fact about that day that day that day is is is she I probably shouldn't say this I probably shouldn't say this I probably shouldn't say this but that's fine. but that's fine. but that's fine. She was kind of like She was kind of like She was kind of like emotional in the bathroom emotional in the bathroom emotional in the bathroom and her mom was like, "She's going and her mom was like, "She's going and her mom was like, "She's going through this breakup. There was some through this breakup. There was some through this breakup. There was some things." I think they had flown in from things." I think they had flown in from things." I think they had flown in from LA. LA. LA. » You're sitting there new song coming. » You're sitting there new song coming. » You're sitting there new song coming. » Well, it was the it was her and » Well, it was the it was her and » Well, it was the it was her and Gyllenhaal had break had I don't Gyllenhaal had break had I don't Gyllenhaal had break had I don't know if they were together. I don't know if they were together. I don't know if they were together. I don't Yeah, one I don't know. But they were no Yeah, one I don't know. But they were no Yeah, one I don't know. But they were no longer and that was like and that was like and that was like that breakup was what created the song that breakup was what created the song that breakup was what created the song All Too Well, which is her number one All Too Well, which is her number one All Too Well, which is her number one biggest song of all time. And as you biggest song of all time. And as you biggest song of all time. And as you know, Swiftie, we have the 10-minute know, Swiftie, we have the 10-minute know, Swiftie, we have the 10-minute version now. Like but I was like there version now. Like but I was like there version now. Like but I was like there was a lot wrapped up in that little was a lot wrapped up in that little was a lot wrapped up in that little Wichita stop. Wichita stop. Wichita stop. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » That's wild. » That's wild. » That's wild. » But she I will I will I will say like » But she I will I will I will say like » But she I will I will I will say like just thinking about like business, how just thinking about like business, how just thinking about like business, how you conduct yourself. you conduct yourself. you conduct yourself. My nephews stayed with me up at the My nephews stayed with me up at the My nephews stayed with me up at the ranch the other night, Wells and Ted, ranch the other night, Wells and Ted, ranch the other night, Wells and Ted, the older ones, and they're fascinated the older ones, and they're fascinated the older ones, and they're fascinated with some of my world. And I said, "You with some of my world. And I said, "You with some of my world. And I said, "You know, we should watch some of the Taylor know, we should watch some of the Taylor know, we should watch some of the Taylor Swift documentary." Swift documentary." Swift documentary." » Mhm. » Mhm. » Mhm. » This [clears throat] isn't my world, but » This [clears throat] isn't my world, but » This [clears throat] isn't my world, but it is it is it is on a bigger scale what a lot of people on a bigger scale what a lot of people on a bigger scale what a lot of people we work with do and what it looks like we work with do and what it looks like we work with do and what it looks like to bring something together. to bring something together. to bring something together. And then I was thinking actually in this And then I was thinking actually in this And then I was thinking actually in this box I have these letters from Taylor. box I have these letters from Taylor. box I have these letters from Taylor. And I pulled them out and we were And I pulled them out and we were And I pulled them out and we were looking at them together and she looking at them together and she looking at them together and she long into her career and still to this long into her career and still to this long into her career and still to this day, I'm sure. day, I'm sure. day, I'm sure. If you did anything If you did anything If you did anything for her for her for her you would get a long form, not a you would get a long form, not a you would get a long form, not a » that on the documentary. She wrote a » that on the documentary. She wrote a » that on the documentary. She wrote a letter to everybody on her crew or her letter to everybody on her crew or her letter to everybody on her crew or her » at handwritten » at handwritten » at handwritten » which was massive. » which was massive. » which was massive. » massive » massive » massive » How I mean, it's got to be a thousand » How I mean, it's got to be a thousand » How I mean, it's got to be a thousand people. people. people. » But that is her and it's like I sit » But that is her and it's like I sit » But that is her and it's like I sit there and I'm like, "I'm busy to write there and I'm like, "I'm busy to write there and I'm like, "I'm busy to write these thank you notes or whatever." I'm these thank you notes or whatever." I'm these thank you notes or whatever." I'm like, "Taylor Swift can carve out time." like, "Taylor Swift can carve out time." like, "Taylor Swift can carve out time." » Yeah, I know. » Yeah, I know. » Yeah, I know. » I can work it in. But I'm still so » I can work it in. But I'm still so » I can work it in. But I'm still so impressed. impressed. impressed. And I I still I write I do a lot And I I still I write I do a lot And I I still I write I do a lot more handwritten notes because of more handwritten notes because of more handwritten notes because of » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » that. Like it's just she's so » that. Like it's just she's so » that. Like it's just she's so impressive. impressive. impressive. » we're going to get off the Swiftie » we're going to get off the Swiftie » we're going to get off the Swiftie train. So, you're at I Heart Media. This train. So, you're at I Heart Media. This train. So, you're at I Heart Media. This is a Taylor Swift podcast. is a Taylor Swift podcast. is a Taylor Swift podcast. » It could be. » It could be. » It could be. There's plenty to talk about. There's plenty to talk about. There's plenty to talk about. » I Heart Media. » I Heart Media. » I Heart Media. » from I Heart Media to what? » from I Heart Media to what? » from I Heart Media to what? » So, my none of my career makes sense » So, my none of my career makes sense » So, my none of my career makes sense » » » » to anyone but me cuz » to anyone but me cuz » to anyone but me cuz » [snorts] » [snorts] » [snorts] » I generally go where I have curiosity. » I generally go where I have curiosity. » I generally go where I have curiosity. And going back to the whole Oprah kid And going back to the whole Oprah kid And going back to the whole Oprah kid thing, one of the things that made a thing, one of the things that made a thing, one of the things that made a really profound impact on me when I was really profound impact on me when I was really profound impact on me when I was in like early high school was there was in like early high school was there was in like early high school was there was an episode This is actually where I got an episode This is actually where I got an episode This is actually where I got dialed in on Oprah and I paid attention dialed in on Oprah and I paid attention dialed in on Oprah and I paid attention when Mom was playing it. when Mom was playing it. when Mom was playing it. She had gone to South Africa and did It She had gone to South Africa and did It She had gone to South Africa and did It was I can't remember what it was called, was I can't remember what it was called, was I can't remember what it was called, but she set up these circus tents. but she set up these circus tents. but she set up these circus tents. » Mhm. » Mhm. » Mhm. » And they had shoes and clothes and gifts » And they had shoes and clothes and gifts » And they had shoes and clothes and gifts and whatever, but all kids would come in and whatever, but all kids would come in and whatever, but all kids would come in and they would measure their feet, get and they would measure their feet, get and they would measure their feet, get their clothes like their clothes like their clothes like kind of get to know each child, and then kind of get to know each child, and then kind of get to know each child, and then they would have like a carnival day, but they would have like a carnival day, but they would have like a carnival day, but in the meantime, they were curating in the meantime, they were curating in the meantime, they were curating gifts for every single child, putting gifts for every single child, putting gifts for every single child, putting their names on them, all this. And then their names on them, all this. And then their names on them, all this. And then at the end of the day, they all got at the end of the day, they all got at the end of the day, they all got Christmas. And it was all practical like Christmas. And it was all practical like Christmas. And it was all practical like But it was just these kids that were But it was just these kids that were But it was just these kids that were lived in extreme poverty. lived in extreme poverty. lived in extreme poverty. Were kind of seen for the first time and Were kind of seen for the first time and Were kind of seen for the first time and And it kind of got me thinking like And it kind of got me thinking like And it kind of got me thinking like I developed a real curiosity about like I developed a real curiosity about like I developed a real curiosity about like there's poor people in the world again. there's poor people in the world again. there's poor people in the world again. I I I » Right. » Right. » Right. » I mean, growing up like we didn't have a » I mean, growing up like we didn't have a » I mean, growing up like we didn't have a lot, but we just you know, lot, but we just you know, lot, but we just you know, we live in a great community and we're we live in a great community and we're we live in a great community and we're all top five percent of the world. Yeah, all top five percent of the world. Yeah, all top five percent of the world. Yeah, but it was kind of piqued my interest but it was kind of piqued my interest but it was kind of piqued my interest and I was actually talking with Rick and I was actually talking with Rick and I was actually talking with Rick McNary when I was at Iheart, who was at McNary when I was at Iheart, who was at McNary when I was at Iheart, who was at Humana, Humana, Humana, » Mhm. » Mhm. » Mhm. » about like, "Hey, you guys are going to » about like, "Hey, you guys are going to » about like, "Hey, you guys are going to like Haiti and things. Like I'd love to like Haiti and things. Like I'd love to like Haiti and things. Like I'd love to like hop on a trip. like hop on a trip. like hop on a trip. I'd love to see that someday." Like just I'd love to see that someday." Like just I'd love to see that someday." Like just And I think that was right after And I think that was right after And I think that was right after obviously the earthquake and so Haiti obviously the earthquake and so Haiti obviously the earthquake and so Haiti was » [snorts] » [snorts] » [snorts] » desperate. » desperate. » desperate. » had a lot of needs, but also in the » had a lot of needs, but also in the » had a lot of needs, but also in the conversation a lot. conversation a lot. conversation a lot. And I went down the first time on my own And I went down the first time on my own And I went down the first time on my own with a few folks to see Jean Thompson in with a few folks to see Jean Thompson in with a few folks to see Jean Thompson in Gonaïves. Gonaïves. Gonaïves. Was incredibly moved like Was incredibly moved like Was incredibly moved like but my curiosity was off the charts cuz but my curiosity was off the charts cuz but my curiosity was off the charts cuz I was like I was like I was like I had so many questions. I had so many questions. I had so many questions. » [snorts] » [snorts] » [snorts] » Like how does this all happen but also » Like how does this all happen but also » Like how does this all happen but also like all these white people coming in doing all these white people coming in doing all these white people coming in doing things like and everyone's got things like and everyone's got things like and everyone's got initiatives and like initiatives and like initiatives and like I just was I was again just really I just was I was again just really I just was I was again just really curious um and such a fan of Jan's heart curious um and such a fan of Jan's heart curious um and such a fan of Jan's heart and what she's done up there and how she and what she's done up there and how she and what she's done up there and how she structured uh her work. uh her work. uh her work. But anyways, there was an opportunity to But anyways, there was an opportunity to But anyways, there was an opportunity to do some work with Numana that had come do some work with Numana that had come do some work with Numana that had come up like doing some fundraising and up like doing some fundraising and up like doing some fundraising and whatnot. whatnot. whatnot. And I had kind of gotten comfortable And I had kind of gotten comfortable And I had kind of gotten comfortable asking people for money cuz one thing asking people for money cuz one thing asking people for money cuz one thing you do on the morning show is you do all you do on the morning show is you do all you do on the morning show is you do all the community events and you go to all the community events and you go to all the community events and you go to all the auctions and you help raise I mean the auctions and you help raise I mean the auctions and you help raise I mean it's kind of like what Jeremy does all it's kind of like what Jeremy does all it's kind of like what Jeremy does all the time like you just the time like you just the time like you just and so I'm like I could get people to and so I'm like I could get people to and so I'm like I could get people to give me some money and so I started give me some money and so I started give me some money and so I started doing a little bit and then did a little doing a little bit and then did a little doing a little bit and then did a little bit more and then actually went to work bit more and then actually went to work bit more and then actually went to work at Numana um at Numana um at Numana um and worked there for like and worked there for like and worked there for like at least 4 years probably. at least 4 years probably. at least 4 years probably. And I really enjoyed that cuz And I really enjoyed that cuz And I really enjoyed that cuz was able to travel and see some parts was able to travel and see some parts was able to travel and see some parts of the world and things that like I just of the world and things that like I just of the world and things that like I just was curious to see more of was curious to see more of was curious to see more of um and did what I thought was a lot of um and did what I thought was a lot of um and did what I thought was a lot of good and like I still wrestle with like good and like I still wrestle with like good and like I still wrestle with like helping and when helping hurts and when helping and when helping hurts and when helping and when helping hurts and when it helps and like that's no criticism of it helps and like that's no criticism of it helps and like that's no criticism of like I think a lot of people do things like I think a lot of people do things like I think a lot of people do things with really good intention. Sure. But I with really good intention. Sure. But I with really good intention. Sure. But I just have a real fascination with like just have a real fascination with like just have a real fascination with like where is the root like and I've got a where is the root like and I've got a where is the root like and I've got a lot of thoughts on that. But anyways lot of thoughts on that. But anyways lot of thoughts on that. But anyways one thing one thing one thing and this is kind of where like and this is kind of where like and this is kind of where like everything blends together for me everything blends together for me everything blends together for me is when I went to Numana I was like well is when I went to Numana I was like well is when I went to Numana I was like well we need to we need to we need to raise money and package more meals to raise money and package more meals to raise money and package more meals to send more people that need it. send more people that need it. send more people that need it. And I was like I'm coming off all these And I was like I'm coming off all these And I was like I'm coming off all these relationships that I heart. relationships that I heart. relationships that I heart. Amy Brown, who's co-host on the Bobby Amy Brown, who's co-host on the Bobby Amy Brown, who's co-host on the Bobby Bones Show. We had become friends. I had Bones Show. We had become friends. I had Bones Show. We had become friends. I had reached out to her and I was like, man, reached out to her and I was like, man, reached out to her and I was like, man, they did this thing in Wichita where they did this thing in Wichita where they did this thing in Wichita where they It was like a Guinness World Record they It was like a Guinness World Record they It was like a Guinness World Record event. I know Tyler is back there and event. I know Tyler is back there and event. I know Tyler is back there and knows all this. Like knows all this. Like knows all this. Like maybe we try to break that. Like maybe we try to break that. Like maybe we try to break that. Like maybe we try to package more meals than they we try to package more meals than they we try to package more meals than they did and like we can get some of the did and like we can get some of the did and like we can get some of the artists to give money. artists to give money. artists to give money. » set a world » set a world » set a world » New Mana had set a record. Yeah. For » New Mana had set a record. Yeah. For » New Mana had set a record. Yeah. For like most like most like most All due respect to everyone. You can All due respect to everyone. You can All due respect to everyone. You can like if you pay Guinness and there's not like if you pay Guinness and there's not like if you pay Guinness and there's not a record, you have to pay them to come, a record, you have to pay them to come, a record, you have to pay them to come, but like you can set a record. Yeah. And but like you can set a record. Yeah. And but like you can set a record. Yeah. And they did it. It was incredible. I mean they did it. It was incredible. I mean they did it. It was incredible. I mean it was like 500,000 meals in a short it was like 500,000 meals in a short it was like 500,000 meals in a short amount of time. amount of time. amount of time. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And so we're like, we're going to break » And so we're like, we're going to break » And so we're like, we're going to break the record. the record. the record. » » » » And we It was so funny because at the » And we It was so funny because at the » And we It was so funny because at the time we needed to raise $250,000 time we needed to raise $250,000 time we needed to raise $250,000 to do it. to do it. to do it. And that seemed like so much money. And that seemed like so much money. And that seemed like so much money. » Mhm. » Mhm. » Mhm. » And it was. Like I'm not but it was like » And it was. Like I'm not but it was like » And it was. Like I'm not but it was like you would have thought you asked she and you would have thought you asked she and you would have thought you asked she and I to raise I to raise I to raise $5 million. $5 million. $5 million. And so we're doing things through the And so we're doing things through the And so we're doing things through the Bobby Bones Show. Bobby was so great. Bobby Bones Show. Bobby was so great. Bobby Bones Show. Bobby was so great. They did a lot of They did a lot of They did a lot of you know, you know, you know, fundraising on air. We had hit up fundraising on air. We had hit up fundraising on air. We had hit up artists and labels and we're like, okay. artists and labels and we're like, okay. artists and labels and we're like, okay. Carrie Underwood, Brad Paisley, like all Carrie Underwood, Brad Paisley, like all Carrie Underwood, Brad Paisley, like all these people just give us each of you these people just give us each of you these people just give us each of you $1,000 and you could sponsor a packing $1,000 and you could sponsor a packing $1,000 and you could sponsor a packing station. And so we got a lot of artists station. And so we got a lot of artists station. And so we got a lot of artists to do it and it was to do it and it was to do it and it was a great experience. a great experience. a great experience. Got everyone in Nashville in that Got everyone in Nashville in that Got everyone in Nashville in that community involved. community involved. community involved. We broke the record. Uh We broke the record. Uh We broke the record. Uh and we sent all those meals to an and we sent all those meals to an and we sent all those meals to an orphanage that she had been a part of orphanage that she had been a part of orphanage that she had been a part of down in Haiti. down in Haiti. down in Haiti. And anyways, it was just like And anyways, it was just like And anyways, it was just like the first time that I was like, okay, I the first time that I was like, okay, I the first time that I was like, okay, I could just start weaving could just start weaving could just start weaving everything » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » into whatever I'm doing, you know, and » into whatever I'm doing, you know, and » into whatever I'm doing, you know, and did more and more of that, had a had a did more and more of that, had a had a did more and more of that, had a had a great time. Also simultaneously great time. Also simultaneously great time. Also simultaneously um um um decided I want to run for commission decided I want to run for commission decided I want to run for commission when I was in Newmana. And so was on the when I was in Newmana. And so was on the when I was in Newmana. And so was on the commission at a young age. I think I commission at a young age. I think I commission at a young age. I think I started I mean I was early 20s maybe. I started I mean I was early 20s maybe. I started I mean I was early 20s maybe. I keep looking at the Tyler like do you keep looking at the Tyler like do you keep looking at the Tyler like do you remember? remember? remember? Um I don't I don't I'm really bad with Um I don't I don't I'm really bad with Um I don't I don't I'm really bad with time, but I know time, but I know time, but I know » We will hold you to it. » We will hold you to it. » We will hold you to it. » that I was young. And it was a great » that I was young. And it was a great » that I was young. And it was a great experience, loved it. I learned so much experience, loved it. I learned so much experience, loved it. I learned so much uh about local government, dealing with uh about local government, dealing with uh about local government, dealing with people in a different way. I know y'all, people in a different way. I know y'all, people in a different way. I know y'all, you know, have had your fair share of you know, have had your fair share of you know, have had your fair share of that. that. that. » » » » But I really think like I'm so grateful » But I really think like I'm so grateful » But I really think like I'm so grateful cuz most people do that later in life. cuz most people do that later in life. cuz most people do that later in life. Like most people that run for local Like most people that run for local Like most people that run for local office and things or even just like office and things or even just like office and things or even just like serve on boards do it. And I did it so serve on boards do it. And I did it so serve on boards do it. And I did it so young that I kind of young that I kind of young that I kind of it really was a wonderful experience for it really was a wonderful experience for it really was a wonderful experience for me. And uh so did that, went me. And uh so did that, went me. And uh so did that, went I had the opportunity, you know, I had the opportunity, you know, I had the opportunity, you know, they reached out would you want to come they reached out would you want to come they reached out would you want to come oversee the foundation. Carrie Myers was oversee the foundation. Carrie Myers was oversee the foundation. Carrie Myers was leaving the SBA Foundation at the leaving the SBA Foundation at the leaving the SBA Foundation at the hospital. hospital. hospital. And I was like well, I can raise money And I was like well, I can raise money And I was like well, I can raise money and I love El Dorado like do that. and I love El Dorado like do that. and I love El Dorado like do that. Quickly realized in that Quickly realized in that Quickly realized in that um um um enjoyed my time there, enjoyed the enjoyed my time there, enjoyed the enjoyed my time there, enjoyed the board, the people, all the things. But I board, the people, all the things. But I board, the people, all the things. But I was like man, was like man, was like man, I just really love still the I just really love still the I just really love still the entertainment stuff. Like I'd rather entertainment stuff. Like I'd rather entertainment stuff. Like I'd rather move some of what I do when it comes to move some of what I do when it comes to move some of what I do when it comes to fundraising to like personal. Like I'd fundraising to like personal. Like I'd fundraising to like personal. Like I'd rather do that not as an employee. Like rather do that not as an employee. Like rather do that not as an employee. Like that's not that's not that's not But going back to But going back to But going back to Newmana that I just got more and more Newmana that I just got more and more Newmana that I just got more and more comfortable asking people for money and comfortable asking people for money and comfortable asking people for money and that served me well even in like that served me well even in like that served me well even in like business ventures where it's like, you business ventures where it's like, you business ventures where it's like, you know, raising capital. It's kind of know, raising capital. It's kind of know, raising capital. It's kind of different thing, but there's different thing, but there's different thing, but there's similarities. You similarities. You similarities. You have to be comfortable with You have to be comfortable with You have to be comfortable with asking people for things. Yeah. people for things. Yeah. people for things. Yeah. » » » » Um and so anyways, that all served me » Um and so anyways, that all served me » Um and so anyways, that all served me well. But I well. But I well. But I » good at taking no. Like you » good at taking no. Like you » good at taking no. Like you That's one thing I respect about you. That's one thing I respect about you. That's one thing I respect about you. You just You ask anybody anything and You just You ask anybody anything and You just You ask anybody anything and » Well, and I think » Well, and I think » Well, and I think my dad my dad my dad there was a conversation we had, you there was a conversation we had, you there was a conversation we had, you know, early on that it was like know, early on that it was like know, early on that it was like you know, all they could do is say no. you know, all they could do is say no. you know, all they could do is say no. And like that really stuck with me. And like that really stuck with me. And like that really stuck with me. And I mean, I have I mean, I have I mean, I have sent every email, made every call, every sent every email, made every call, every sent every email, made every call, every And I will say like so much of what And I will say like so much of what And I will say like so much of what little success I've had or like anything little success I've had or like anything little success I've had or like anything I do well I do well I do well is because I have a really, really rich is because I have a really, really rich is because I have a really, really rich network » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » of people. And I consider I hate saying » of people. And I consider I hate saying » of people. And I consider I hate saying network cuz they're really all just network cuz they're really all just network cuz they're really all just friends. But I would never take anything friends. But I would never take anything friends. But I would never take anything to anyone unless I thought it was the to anyone unless I thought it was the to anyone unless I thought it was the right fit for them. You know, and I right fit for them. You know, and I right fit for them. You know, and I think that's what But it's like if I do think that's what But it's like if I do think that's what But it's like if I do I'm not afraid to take it to I'm not afraid to take it to I'm not afraid to take it to the wealthiest person in the world the wealthiest person in the world the wealthiest person in the world » Mhm. » Mhm. » Mhm. » and them say no. » and them say no. » and them say no. Cuz they might say yes. And I've had Cuz they might say yes. And I've had Cuz they might say yes. And I've had enough people say yes to me that I'm enough people say yes to me that I'm enough people say yes to me that I'm kind of like kind of like kind of like I'm good with the nos cuz I know that I'm good with the nos cuz I know that I'm good with the nos cuz I know that yeses are possible. yeses are possible. yeses are possible. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Um it's good. And so anyways, that was » Um it's good. And so anyways, that was » Um it's good. And so anyways, that was wrapping up at SBA. This is the longest wrapping up at SBA. This is the longest wrapping up at SBA. This is the longest answer. You asked one question. I answer. You asked one question. I answer. You asked one question. I thought we were thought we were thought we were I thought we were going to like do I thought we were going to like do I thought we were going to like do a fire around. a fire around. a fire around. » I baited you in, yeah. » I baited you in, yeah. » I baited you in, yeah. » » » » But I was like, you know » But I was like, you know » But I was like, you know I always wanted to go to Nashville like I always wanted to go to Nashville like I always wanted to go to Nashville like more properly. I was more properly. I was more properly. I was out there so much when I was at iHeart. out there so much when I was at iHeart. out there so much when I was at iHeart. I was there a lot. Even with the Manics, I was there a lot. Even with the Manics, I was there a lot. Even with the Manics, I'm like we're going to get donors and I'm like we're going to get donors and I'm like we're going to get donors and events out here like get in my network. events out here like get in my network. events out here like get in my network. And so I made the decision in I think it And so I made the decision in I think it And so I made the decision in I think it was like '18 to move to Nashville. And I was like '18 to move to Nashville. And I was like '18 to move to Nashville. And I created a little LLC created a little LLC created a little LLC called Buck that I was Buck. So called Buck that I was Buck. So called Buck that I was Buck. So » Buck was my my great Yeah, Buck naked. » Buck was my my great Yeah, Buck naked. » Buck was my my great Yeah, Buck naked. There's a lot of plays on There's a lot of plays on There's a lot of plays on that word. Uh it was my great grandpa's that word. Uh it was my great grandpa's that word. Uh it was my great grandpa's horse. My dad bought him and horse. My dad bought him and horse. My dad bought him and I just have a lot of admiration for my I just have a lot of admiration for my I just have a lot of admiration for my great grandparents, Eldon and Sancy. great grandparents, Eldon and Sancy. great grandparents, Eldon and Sancy. They were phenomenal people and embodied They were phenomenal people and embodied They were phenomenal people and embodied a lot of like the character and values a lot of like the character and values a lot of like the character and values that I wanted to carry into everything. that I wanted to carry into everything. that I wanted to carry into everything. But also, it was Butler County, Kansas, But also, it was Butler County, Kansas, But also, it was Butler County, Kansas, which felt like home, you know, more which felt like home, you know, more which felt like home, you know, more than just Silverado being a ranch kid. than just Silverado being a ranch kid. than just Silverado being a ranch kid. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Um the B U C K kind of I was like and I » Um the B U C K kind of I was like and I » Um the B U C K kind of I was like and I like four letters. I'm like clean. like four letters. I'm like clean. like four letters. I'm like clean. And so, I was like, I'm going to go out And so, I was like, I'm going to go out And so, I was like, I'm going to go out and I'm going to start taking clients and I'm going to start taking clients and I'm going to start taking clients for like marketing projects, media, like for like marketing projects, media, like for like marketing projects, media, like some not publicist stuff, but like again, I not publicist stuff, but like again, I not publicist stuff, but like again, I could kind of do whatever needed to get could kind of do whatever needed to get could kind of do whatever needed to get done. And so, was doing some things with done. And so, was doing some things with done. And so, was doing some things with I Heart again, helping Amy grow her I Heart again, helping Amy grow her I Heart again, helping Amy grow her brand. We launched her podcast network. brand. We launched her podcast network. brand. We launched her podcast network. Um Um Um which, you know, was all during the four which, you know, was all during the four which, you know, was all during the four things stuff. Just things stuff. Just things stuff. Just » Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. » Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. » Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. » Yeah, started working with whoever had » Yeah, started working with whoever had » Yeah, started working with whoever had projects. And some of it was like projects. And some of it was like projects. And some of it was like you'd get a retainer or two and you're you'd get a retainer or two and you're you'd get a retainer or two and you're like, okay, I can breathe. Uh you guys like, okay, I can breathe. Uh you guys like, okay, I can breathe. Uh you guys know this. Then it was project by know this. Then it was project by know this. Then it was project by project, but one of those groups was project, but one of those groups was project, but one of those groups was uh a small investment group out of uh a small investment group out of uh a small investment group out of Northwest Arkansas led by Patrick Northwest Arkansas led by Patrick Northwest Arkansas led by Patrick Harrison. Rich Morse was part of it, Harrison. Rich Morse was part of it, Harrison. Rich Morse was part of it, who's from here. who's from here. who's from here. So, I had met He had reached out to me So, I had met He had reached out to me So, I had met He had reached out to me because they were doing an event in because they were doing an event in because they were doing an event in Nashville and he knew that I Nashville and he knew that I Nashville and he knew that I had we'd done some things and had we'd done some things and had we'd done some things and » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And then we got to talking and then I » And then we got to talking and then I » And then we got to talking and then I went and I met Patrick. And anyways, went and I met Patrick. And anyways, went and I met Patrick. And anyways, took them as a client because they were took them as a client because they were took them as a client because they were involved in a a handful of kind of small involved in a a handful of kind of small involved in a a handful of kind of small projects, but also had a small marketing projects, but also had a small marketing projects, but also had a small marketing arm. They had created Country Outfitter arm. They had created Country Outfitter arm. They had created Country Outfitter or were a part They were a part of it. I or were a part They were a part of it. I or were a part They were a part of it. I shouldn't say that. It was I think a shouldn't say that. It was I think a shouldn't say that. It was I think a different group, but Rich had been a different group, but Rich had been a different group, but Rich had been a part of that. Country Outfitter was like part of that. Country Outfitter was like part of that. Country Outfitter was like the largest e-com site back in the day the largest e-com site back in the day the largest e-com site back in the day for western wear. for western wear. for western wear. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » Kind of when e-com really had its » Kind of when e-com really had its » Kind of when e-com really had its moment, they were selling all brands, moment, they were selling all brands, moment, they were selling all brands, all things, all the time. all things, all the time. all things, all the time. And that sold to Boot Barn if I'm And that sold to Boot Barn if I'm And that sold to Boot Barn if I'm saying this all correctly. saying this all correctly. saying this all correctly. There was a There was a There was a point people were creating blogs, you point people were creating blogs, you point people were creating blogs, you know, it's kind of a play to sell e-com know, it's kind of a play to sell e-com know, it's kind of a play to sell e-com products. products. products. » Sure. » Sure. » Sure. » And they created One Country, which was » And they created One Country, which was » And they created One Country, which was a country music news site that had a country music news site that had a country music news site that had covered everything about the format, the covered everything about the format, the covered everything about the format, the artists. artists. artists. » Out of the boot? » Out of the boot? » Out of the boot? » And Country Outfitter. So, Country » And Country Outfitter. So, Country » And Country Outfitter. So, Country Outfitter had One Country. Well, Boot Outfitter had One Country. Well, Boot Outfitter had One Country. Well, Boot Barn took in the purchase took Barn took in the purchase took Barn took in the purchase took » Country Outfitter. » Country Outfitter. » Country Outfitter. » the blog. And so, I think that sold and » the blog. And so, I think that sold and » the blog. And so, I think that sold and they bought it for nothing, but it had a they bought it for nothing, but it had a they bought it for nothing, but it had a massive owned audience. It's you guys massive owned audience. It's you guys massive owned audience. It's you guys now. now. now. » I didn't know One Country started as a » I didn't know One Country started as a » I didn't know One Country started as a blog. blog. blog. » Yeah. So, it's it was a country music » Yeah. So, it's it was a country music » Yeah. So, it's it was a country music blog and like did really well. And they blog and like did really well. And they blog and like did really well. And they operated that business as such. operated that business as such. operated that business as such. Shouldn't say really well. I think it it Shouldn't say really well. I think it it Shouldn't say really well. I think it it did well where it could make money, but did well where it could make money, but did well where it could make money, but when again, Facebook, when again, Facebook, when again, Facebook, my favorite company in the world, my favorite company in the world, my favorite company in the world, changed the algorithm, changed the algorithm, changed the algorithm, » [snorts] » [snorts] » [snorts] » what used to be you were making money » what used to be you were making money » what used to be you were making money from this massive organic audience, you from this massive organic audience, you from this massive organic audience, you had to pay now had to pay now had to pay now » Right. » Right. » Right. » to get eyes on everything. And then the » to get eyes on everything. And then the » to get eyes on everything. And then the business model just went business model just went business model just went » Yep. » Yep. » Yep. » Well, » Well, » Well, it still had a massive owned audience it still had a massive owned audience it still had a massive owned audience both on social, on email, like it was both on social, on email, like it was both on social, on email, like it was significant. And so, significant. And so, significant. And so, they were a client. We were working on they were a client. We were working on they were a client. We were working on some western wear projects with some western wear projects with some western wear projects with some boot brands and whatnot, but we started boot brands and whatnot, but we started boot brands and whatnot, but we started talking about this. talking about this. talking about this. And I became more interested in kind of the I became more interested in kind of the I became more interested in kind of the possibilities and some of what they were possibilities and some of what they were possibilities and some of what they were thinking. They were doing They had done thinking. They were doing They had done thinking. They were doing They had done some sweepstakes. some sweepstakes. some sweepstakes. They had learned a lot. They had learned a lot. They had learned a lot. They were looking at how do you get some They were looking at how do you get some They were looking at how do you get some of this to play in with the media and of this to play in with the media and of this to play in with the media and like the content, the blog stuff. And we like the content, the blog stuff. And we like the content, the blog stuff. And we were trying to piece together all the were trying to piece together all the were trying to piece together all the parts. parts. parts. And so anyways, during this time, I'm And so anyways, during this time, I'm And so anyways, during this time, I'm spending a lot of time in New York, spending a lot of time in New York, spending a lot of time in New York, had befriended had befriended had befriended Again, just Again, just Again, just weird journey, but I think it's for weird journey, but I think it's for weird journey, but I think it's for context. Like a lot of people at Good context. Like a lot of people at Good context. Like a lot of people at Good Morning America and like ABC. Morning America and like ABC. Morning America and like ABC. » I feel like in real time you're » I feel like in real time you're » I feel like in real time you're realizing how weird it is. realizing how weird it is. realizing how weird it is. » Oh, I know. This is where I'm like » Oh, I know. This is where I'm like » Oh, I know. This is where I'm like » I see your eyes and you're like, oh, » I see your eyes and you're like, oh, » I see your eyes and you're like, oh, this is weird. this is weird. this is weird. » I'm already like, God, anyone who's » I'm already like, God, anyone who's » I'm already like, God, anyone who's still listening, I'm sorry. This is still listening, I'm sorry. This is still listening, I'm sorry. This is Just Hey, Just Hey, Just Hey, thanks, Mom. thanks, Mom. thanks, Mom. Uh Uh Uh Mom, Grandma, uh yeah. Mom, Grandma, uh yeah. Mom, Grandma, uh yeah. But I I was spending a lot of time But I I was spending a lot of time But I I was spending a lot of time before COVID out there. before COVID out there. before COVID out there. And was so fortunate to be welcomed into was so fortunate to be welcomed into was so fortunate to be welcomed into what really felt like the craziest room what really felt like the craziest room what really felt like the craziest room I had been welcomed into. Cuz like New I had been welcomed into. Cuz like New I had been welcomed into. Cuz like New York just is different. You know, it's York just is different. You know, it's York just is different. You know, it's like all these people like all these people like all these people you just picture being a ranch kid like you just picture being a ranch kid like you just picture being a ranch kid like » Right. » Right. » Right. » And again, Mom had Good Morning America » And again, Mom had Good Morning America » And again, Mom had Good Morning America on every morning when we'd be getting on every morning when we'd be getting on every morning when we'd be getting ready for school. Like that was the show ready for school. Like that was the show ready for school. Like that was the show she watched and she watched and she watched and it was so fun. And I was kind of like, it was so fun. And I was kind of like, it was so fun. And I was kind of like, all right, I'm going to go to New York. all right, I'm going to go to New York. all right, I'm going to go to New York. There's some opportunity here to work There's some opportunity here to work There's some opportunity here to work with some of these like really great with some of these like really great with some of these like really great people, things and people, things and people, things and but was still working with OC Media as a but was still working with OC Media as a but was still working with OC Media as a client, some of the Nashville people, client, some of the Nashville people, client, some of the Nashville people, all of that. all of that. all of that. And then COVID happened. And then COVID happened. And then COVID happened. » Mhm. » Mhm. » Mhm. » So, » So, » So, I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to move to I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to move to I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to move to New York right now. Like which was I New York right now. Like which was I New York right now. Like which was I Okay, so real quick. And I'm just a Okay, so real quick. And I'm just a Okay, so real quick. And I'm just a rambling, so cut me off at any point. rambling, so cut me off at any point. rambling, so cut me off at any point. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » I was moving from the apartment in East » I was moving from the apartment in East » I was moving from the apartment in East Nashville. Nashville. Nashville. Movers were coming. I think like Movers were coming. I think like Movers were coming. I think like March 10th. March 10th. March 10th. And I was going to take stuff back to And I was going to take stuff back to And I was going to take stuff back to Kansas and I was going to take a few Kansas and I was going to take a few Kansas and I was going to take a few things to a small place in New York and things to a small place in New York and things to a small place in New York and I was going to be like, I'm going to go I was going to be like, I'm going to go I was going to be like, I'm going to go out there for a year. Like there this out there for a year. Like there this out there for a year. Like there this feels exciting, fun. I could still work feels exciting, fun. I could still work feels exciting, fun. I could still work with the natural people. Tornado comes through East Nashville. Tornado comes through East Nashville. » Oh, I forgot about that. » Oh, I forgot about that. » Oh, I forgot about that. » Yeah, between literally Amy and I like » Yeah, between literally Amy and I like » Yeah, between literally Amy and I like between I'm we didn't have any warnings between I'm we didn't have any warnings between I'm we didn't have any warnings and it wasn't like I'm not saying it's and it wasn't like I'm not saying it's and it wasn't like I'm not saying it's like some dramatic experience but no one like some dramatic experience but no one like some dramatic experience but no one expected it and I remember all of a expected it and I remember all of a expected it and I remember all of a sudden my phone does that amber alert sudden my phone does that amber alert sudden my phone does that amber alert sound and it's like tornado. It's like, sound and it's like tornado. It's like, sound and it's like tornado. It's like, what? What are you supposed to rain? what? What are you supposed to rain? what? What are you supposed to rain? And sure enough like I go out on the And sure enough like I go out on the And sure enough like I go out on the balcony and I hear a train which people balcony and I hear a train which people balcony and I hear a train which people talk about. talk about. talk about. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And I'm like there ain't no train tracks » And I'm like there ain't no train tracks » And I'm like there ain't no train tracks in downtown Nashville. Like we're not in downtown Nashville. Like we're not in downtown Nashville. Like we're not And so that went through And so that went through And so that went through and then and then and then we're having this growing conversation we're having this growing conversation we're having this growing conversation around COVID in the news. around COVID in the news. around COVID in the news. And I'm not kidding you the day And I'm not kidding you the day And I'm not kidding you the day everything got loaded in the truck that everything got loaded in the truck that everything got loaded in the truck that I was going to drive back to Kansas to I was going to drive back to Kansas to I was going to drive back to Kansas to leave stuff here and then fly to New leave stuff here and then fly to New leave stuff here and then fly to New York to be out there for a year. One of York to be out there for a year. One of York to be out there for a year. One of my good buddies John Grundy who used to my good buddies John Grundy who used to my good buddies John Grundy who used to work at the Y had went to coach uh work at the Y had went to coach uh work at the Y had went to coach uh George Washington University in DC George Washington University in DC George Washington University in DC and he called me when I was driving back and he called me when I was driving back and he called me when I was driving back to Kansas and he said they just walked to Kansas and he said they just walked to Kansas and he said they just walked out on the field and they said everyone out on the field and they said everyone out on the field and they said everyone needs to go get their things at the dorm needs to go get their things at the dorm needs to go get their things at the dorm and leave today. and leave today. and leave today. And like as I went home they canceled And like as I went home they canceled And like as I went home they canceled March Madness, canceled the world shut March Madness, canceled the world shut March Madness, canceled the world shut down. And I was like I literally was a down. And I was like I literally was a down. And I was like I literally was a week away from being in New York. week away from being in New York. week away from being in New York. » I was in Vegas when that happened. » I was in Vegas when that happened. » I was in Vegas when that happened. » I don't know if I'd want to be in Vegas » I don't know if I'd want to be in Vegas » I don't know if I'd want to be in Vegas of all places. I'd rather be in New of all places. I'd rather be in New of all places. I'd rather be in New York. York. York. » started shutting everything down and » started shutting everything down and » started shutting everything down and then everybody trying to get out. then everybody trying to get out. then everybody trying to get out. » time and I » time and I » time and I you know, obviously COVID was terrible. you know, obviously COVID was terrible. you know, obviously COVID was terrible. It was a real blessing for me because I It was a real blessing for me because I It was a real blessing for me because I ended up being on the ranch with my ended up being on the ranch with my ended up being on the ranch with my family and my brothers and it's like who family and my brothers and it's like who family and my brothers and it's like who gets to like gets to like gets to like all be under one roof all be under one roof all be under one roof as adults. Like it was magical. But then as adults. Like it was magical. But then as adults. Like it was magical. But then I also was like, you know, I also was like, you know, I also was like, you know, feel safe enough. I'm still going to go feel safe enough. I'm still going to go feel safe enough. I'm still going to go out to New York. out to New York. out to New York. » » » » So I went out there and I spent a lot of » So I went out there and I spent a lot of » So I went out there and I spent a lot of COVID out there. Amy Robach who out there. Amy Robach who out there. Amy Robach who was the only anchor going into the was the only anchor going into the was the only anchor going into the studio at Good Morning America at the studio at Good Morning America at the studio at Good Morning America at the time was a friend and I remember one she time was a friend and I remember one she time was a friend and I remember one she loves to run. I don't run, obviously. loves to run. I don't run, obviously. loves to run. I don't run, obviously. But I was like, we'll go for But I was like, we'll go for But I was like, we'll go for I'll run up I'll I'll run up I'll I'll run up I'll And she was running to the studio and we And she was running to the studio and we And she was running to the studio and we [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] were like we were in Times Square and we were like we were in Times Square and we were like we were in Times Square and we were the only human beings were the only human beings were the only human beings » That's crazy. » That's crazy. » That's crazy. » in Times Square. » in Times Square. » in Times Square. The only human beings in like The only human beings in like The only human beings in like which just thinking back will probably which just thinking back will probably which just thinking back will probably be like one of those crazy memories that be like one of those crazy memories that be like one of those crazy memories that yeah. But I will say yeah. But I will say yeah. But I will say um just story time. It was the um just story time. It was the um just story time. It was the most It made me fall in love with the most It made me fall in love with the most It made me fall in love with the city so much because city so much because city so much because I was one of those two. I'd gone to New I was one of those two. I'd gone to New I was one of those two. I'd gone to New York so much. Like I love New York. I York so much. Like I love New York. I York so much. Like I love New York. I don't really want to like live there, don't really want to like live there, don't really want to like live there, but it just is a city that's full of but it just is a city that's full of but it just is a city that's full of like so much energy and there's so many so much energy and there's so many so much energy and there's so many things and I love all the I just love things and I love all the I just love things and I love all the I just love all the things. You get that curiosity all the things. You get that curiosity all the things. You get that curiosity piece. You can get like a lot of the piece. You can get like a lot of the piece. You can get like a lot of the world in one place. world in one place. world in one place. But [clears throat] I am yeah, I just I don't I don't know what yeah, I just I don't I don't know what it was about it was about it was about all of that. I'm losing my train of all of that. I'm losing my train of all of that. I'm losing my train of thought. But it was thought. But it was thought. But it was it was something that I really thought it was something that I really thought it was something that I really thought I probably wanted to go back and hang my I probably wanted to go back and hang my I probably wanted to go back and hang my hat here, spend more time. hat here, spend more time. hat here, spend more time. But I was like, I'm going to go back to But I was like, I'm going to go back to But I was like, I'm going to go back to the ranch, spend some more time the ranch, spend some more time the ranch, spend some more time trying to remember all the things. trying to remember all the things. trying to remember all the things. But during that time the One Country But during that time the One Country But during that time the One Country guys in that group, they're Northwest guys in that group, they're Northwest guys in that group, they're Northwest Arkansas. Arkansas. Arkansas. And they said, "Hey, you know, would you And they said, "Hey, you know, would you And they said, "Hey, you know, would you be willing to drive down and just do be willing to drive down and just do be willing to drive down and just do some work in person? Like some work in person? Like some work in person? Like we're all anxious to get back around a we're all anxious to get back around a we're all anxious to get back around a conference room table and whatnot." I'm conference room table and whatnot." I'm conference room table and whatnot." I'm like, "Yeah, I'm game for that." like, "Yeah, I'm game for that." like, "Yeah, I'm game for that." And so, during COVID had went down And so, during COVID had went down And so, during COVID had went down there. And that's really when some of there. And that's really when some of there. And that's really when some of the ideas started forming about like, the ideas started forming about like, the ideas started forming about like, could we grow One Country? Could this could we grow One Country? Could this could we grow One Country? Could this become more than what it is? Could it become more than what it is? Could it become more than what it is? Could it evolve? And they kind of had a business evolve? And they kind of had a business evolve? And they kind of had a business model that they'd put together that was model that they'd put together that was model that they'd put together that was pretty intriguing that pretty intriguing that pretty intriguing that with some, you know, changes and the right some, you know, changes and the right some, you know, changes and the right players and things, we probably could do players and things, we probably could do players and things, we probably could do some good stuff. some good stuff. some good stuff. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And so, I guess on that » And so, I guess on that » And so, I guess on that story, if you want me to tell that story, if you want me to tell that story, if you want me to tell that story real quick, real quick, real quick, » Mhm. » Mhm. » Mhm. » the One Country piece was we had saw a » the One Country piece was we had saw a » the One Country piece was we had saw a real opportunity to grow our membership real opportunity to grow our membership real opportunity to grow our membership product. So, you could become a member, product. So, you could become a member, product. So, you could become a member, you could get access to all the content you could get access to all the content you could get access to all the content that we we'd built an app. that we we'd built an app. that we we'd built an app. » Interesting. » Interesting. » Interesting. » You could get all the content, you could » You could get all the content, you could » You could get all the content, you could be auto entered into every single be auto entered into every single be auto entered into every single sweepstakes contest. So, we were giving sweepstakes contest. So, we were giving sweepstakes contest. So, we were giving away like away like away like » What was the content that made you want » What was the content that made you want » What was the content that made you want to be a member? to be a member? to be a member? » So, we did have some podcasts. We had » So, we did have some podcasts. We had » So, we did have some podcasts. We had Kelly Sutton who was the Kelly Sutton who was the Kelly Sutton who was the um she was what is the first female host um she was what is the first female host um she was what is the first female host of the Grand Ole Opry. of the Grand Ole Opry. of the Grand Ole Opry. Does a lot with Amazon, was doing a show Does a lot with Amazon, was doing a show Does a lot with Amazon, was doing a show for us. We had One Country Radio. Um we for us. We had One Country Radio. Um we for us. We had One Country Radio. Um we had a variety of podcasts, but we were had a variety of podcasts, but we were had a variety of podcasts, but we were doing artist exclusives. So, when we doing artist exclusives. So, when we doing artist exclusives. So, when we would do a campaign with an artist, we would do a campaign with an artist, we would do a campaign with an artist, we would actually send like camera crew and would actually send like camera crew and would actually send like camera crew and go shoot stuff with Tucker Wetmore, go shoot stuff with Tucker Wetmore, go shoot stuff with Tucker Wetmore, Jordan Davis, like artists that were Jordan Davis, like artists that were Jordan Davis, like artists that were newer, but like newer, but like newer, but like on the rise. on the rise. on the rise. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And we would do fireside sessions, we » And we would do fireside sessions, we » And we would do fireside sessions, we would do songs and story like just would do songs and story like just would do songs and story like just » Cool. » Cool. » Cool. » a lot of content. And we were figuring » a lot of content. And we were figuring » a lot of content. And we were figuring that out in real time, but it was really that out in real time, but it was really that out in real time, but it was really the sweepstakes and the contests where the sweepstakes and the contests where the sweepstakes and the contests where it's like it's like it's like you had an opportunity to grow the you had an opportunity to grow the you had an opportunity to grow the audience, drive value. I mean, it was audience, drive value. I mean, it was audience, drive value. I mean, it was and people loved we were giving away and people loved we were giving away and people loved we were giving away obviously these big vehicles, but really obviously these big vehicles, but really obviously these big vehicles, but really once people got in, especially for fans, once people got in, especially for fans, once people got in, especially for fans, we were giving away like thousands of we were giving away like thousands of we were giving away like thousands of concert tickets. So like every day you concert tickets. So like every day you concert tickets. So like every day you could be winning like could be winning like could be winning like a pair of tickets to see Riley Green, a pair of tickets to see Riley Green, a pair of tickets to see Riley Green, whatever. And we worked with Live whatever. And we worked with Live whatever. And we worked with Live Nation. And so it's like Nation. And so it's like Nation. And so it's like if you got Riley Green tickets, wherever if you got Riley Green tickets, wherever if you got Riley Green tickets, wherever you were in the country, we would work you were in the country, we would work you were in the country, we would work to get you to the closest market. So it to get you to the closest market. So it to get you to the closest market. So it wasn't like here's Riley Green tickets wasn't like here's Riley Green tickets wasn't like here's Riley Green tickets in Wichita, Kansas and you're a member in Wichita, Kansas and you're a member in Wichita, Kansas and you're a member in New York. I mean, we really in New York. I mean, we really in New York. I mean, we really » actually go buy them or did you have » actually go buy them or did you have » actually go buy them or did you have partnerships with the artist to get partnerships with the artist to get partnerships with the artist to get those tickets? those tickets? those tickets? » that was through Live Nation. We didn't » that was through Live Nation. We didn't » that was through Live Nation. We didn't pay for it. And that's really where like pay for it. And that's really where like pay for it. And that's really where like I got heavily involved. Interesting. And I got heavily involved. Interesting. And I got heavily involved. Interesting. And eventually became the CEO was eventually became the CEO was eventually became the CEO was we had an idea. we had an idea. we had an idea. » I'm trying to think what was the » I'm trying to think what was the » I'm trying to think what was the company? Why am I going blank? company? Why am I going blank? company? Why am I going blank? » Big sweepstakes company that did the » Big sweepstakes company that did the » Big sweepstakes company that did the charity stuff first. charity stuff first. charity stuff first. » You're going to » You're going to » You're going to » Before One Country. Yeah. Like they had » Before One Country. Yeah. Like they had » Before One Country. Yeah. Like they had big stuff. They were doing like big stuff. They were doing like big stuff. They were doing like Hollywood stuff and Hollywood stuff and Hollywood stuff and » a massive brand. We'll think of it at » a massive brand. We'll think of it at » a massive brand. We'll think of it at one point. But they had celebrities on one point. But they had celebrities on one point. But they had celebrities on it. And that gave initially was like it. And that gave initially was like it. And that gave initially was like credibility. Because sometimes when credibility. Because sometimes when credibility. Because sometimes when you're giving away like a big prize, you're giving away like a big prize, you're giving away like a big prize, people are like that's not real. people are like that's not real. people are like that's not real. Well, my thought was Well, my thought was Well, my thought was what if we put people on? What if we what if we put people on? What if we what if we put people on? What if we pitched it to artists and we tried pitched it to artists and we tried pitched it to artists and we tried cross-promoting a project? cross-promoting a project? cross-promoting a project? They give us their time, likeness, and They give us their time, likeness, and They give us their time, likeness, and it oftentimes like whitelist ability for it oftentimes like whitelist ability for it oftentimes like whitelist ability for us to run ads from their account, and us to run ads from their account, and us to run ads from their account, and we'll promote whatever it is they're we'll promote whatever it is they're we'll promote whatever it is they're doing. Like would that work? Would that doing. Like would that work? Would that doing. Like would that work? Would that drive enough value? Walker Hayes uh was drive enough value? Walker Hayes uh was drive enough value? Walker Hayes uh was a friend of ours, and this was at the a friend of ours, and this was at the a friend of ours, and this was at the height of the Applebee's song, which was height of the Applebee's song, which was height of the Applebee's song, which was a big viral. It was a great song, but it a big viral. It was a great song, but it a big viral. It was a great song, but it was having a moment on TikTok and was having a moment on TikTok and was having a moment on TikTok and » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » all of that. » all of that. » all of that. And so And so And so Walker was synonymous, had a great story Walker was synonymous, had a great story Walker was synonymous, had a great story about giving back. He had fallen on hard about giving back. He had fallen on hard about giving back. He had fallen on hard times when he was let go from his record times when he was let go from his record times when he was let go from his record deal. deal. deal. Really kind gentleman, bought his family Really kind gentleman, bought his family Really kind gentleman, bought his family uh uh uh a big minivan because he had like this a big minivan because he had like this a big minivan because he had like this little car and he's got like eight kids. little car and he's got like eight kids. little car and he's got like eight kids. And this guy's like, "You don't have And this guy's like, "You don't have And this guy's like, "You don't have enough seat belts." Like but he was enough seat belts." Like but he was enough seat belts." Like but he was just, you know, working at Costco just, you know, working at Costco just, you know, working at Costco overnight trying to get by. And this overnight trying to get by. And this overnight trying to get by. And this gentleman and Walker wrote a book gentleman and Walker wrote a book gentleman and Walker wrote a book that was outlining the story of that was outlining the story of that was outlining the story of that generosity. And I pitched to his team. I generosity. And I pitched to his team. I generosity. And I pitched to his team. I said, "What if we created a custom said, "What if we created a custom said, "What if we created a custom co-branded lander co-branded lander co-branded lander where we gave away like a brand new where we gave away like a brand new where we gave away like a brand new Suburban XL Suburban XL Suburban XL as a sweepstakes. And you could click as a sweepstakes. And you could click as a sweepstakes. And you could click get that enter to win, but you get that enter to win, but you get that enter to win, but you get driven to this page where you could sign driven to this page where you could sign driven to this page where you could sign up to be a member, sign up for the cuz up to be a member, sign up for the cuz up to be a member, sign up for the cuz all the sweepstakes you could enter for all the sweepstakes you could enter for all the sweepstakes you could enter for free. It was for prize people free. It was for prize people free. It was for prize people auto entry into everything big and small auto entry into everything big and small auto entry into everything big and small that the membership that the membership that the membership pod for those folks. And so, anyways, pod for those folks. And so, anyways, pod for those folks. And so, anyways, um um um we did that and then on that page you we did that and then on that page you we did that and then on that page you could also buy the book. Like it was could also buy the book. Like it was could also buy the book. Like it was co-branded and it had but then also our co-branded and it had but then also our co-branded and it had but then also our charitable component on that was hey charitable component on that was hey charitable component on that was hey tell us a story of someone who could use tell us a story of someone who could use tell us a story of someone who could use a new car and like then we would pick a new car and like then we would pick a new car and like then we would pick someone and buy another Yukon XL someone and buy another Yukon XL someone and buy another Yukon XL and just give it to them. Like they and just give it to them. Like they and just give it to them. Like they didn't have to win it sign up. It was didn't have to win it sign up. It was didn't have to win it sign up. It was and it crushed. I mean like the campaign and it crushed. I mean like the campaign and it crushed. I mean like the campaign crushed for him, for us, for it was like crushed for him, for us, for it was like crushed for him, for us, for it was like win-win. win-win. win-win. And so And so And so I was like, "Okay, I felt comfortable I was like, "Okay, I felt comfortable I was like, "Okay, I felt comfortable taking it to some other folks." And just taking it to some other folks." And just taking it to some other folks." And just instantly out of the gate I'm like, instantly out of the gate I'm like, instantly out of the gate I'm like, "Christmas is coming up." "Christmas is coming up." "Christmas is coming up." I'm just going to swing high. I'm just going to swing high. I'm just going to swing high. And so maybe like Reba would do it. And so maybe like Reba would do it. And so maybe like Reba would do it. And she's got [snorts] so many brands and she's got [snorts] so many brands and she's got [snorts] so many brands and things like things like things like Justin boots and TV shows and home Justin boots and TV shows and home Justin boots and TV shows and home products. And I said products. And I said products. And I said "What if you people love winning a "What if you people love winning a "What if you people love winning a vehicle? Like, obviously that's a great vehicle? Like, obviously that's a great vehicle? Like, obviously that's a great prize. Right. But like, if we are able prize. Right. But like, if we are able prize. Right. But like, if we are able to make the math work, you get to pick a to make the math work, you get to pick a to make the math work, you get to pick a car. Like, what would be your" And it car. Like, what would be your" And it car. Like, what would be your" And it was some old Corvette. Well, we sourced was some old Corvette. Well, we sourced was some old Corvette. Well, we sourced it. We had gotten it. We had gotten it. We had gotten uh uh uh a used car dealership license and a used car dealership license and a used car dealership license and actually ran enough of it to be able to actually ran enough of it to be able to actually ran enough of it to be able to go to auctions and like get source go to auctions and like get source go to auctions and like get source vehicles. vehicles. vehicles. » Interesting. » Interesting. » Interesting. » And then we had it custom » And then we had it custom » And then we had it custom » [clears throat] » [clears throat] » [clears throat] » uh painted Reba red, like a rich apple » uh painted Reba red, like a rich apple » uh painted Reba red, like a rich apple red. And then we filled it with all of red. And then we filled it with all of red. And then we filled it with all of her products. her products. her products. » Nice. » Nice. » Nice. » And ran the sweeps, and she participated » And ran the sweeps, and she participated » And ran the sweeps, and she participated and did it for the Christmas campaign. and did it for the Christmas campaign. and did it for the Christmas campaign. We kind of wanted it to be like a cheesy We kind of wanted it to be like a cheesy We kind of wanted it to be like a cheesy like Hallmark like Hallmark like Hallmark » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And we did it it crushed. And because » And we did it it crushed. And because » And we did it it crushed. And because she said yes and that Universal team, she said yes and that Universal team, she said yes and that Universal team, everyone was then certain to reach out. everyone was then certain to reach out. everyone was then certain to reach out. And so, the beauty was And so, the beauty was And so, the beauty was without like, without like, without like, you know, sharing too much, but you know, sharing too much, but you know, sharing too much, but the benefit we had was all those the benefit we had was all those the benefit we had was all those relationships. We had come up with some relationships. We had come up with some relationships. We had come up with some concepts, and we by then had a variety concepts, and we by then had a variety concepts, and we by then had a variety of options for them to be involved. of options for them to be involved. of options for them to be involved. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » But » But » But we weren't paying what you would we weren't paying what you would we weren't paying what you would typically pay someone anywhere from a typically pay someone anywhere from a typically pay someone anywhere from a six-figure to seven-figure deal to do six-figure to seven-figure deal to do six-figure to seven-figure deal to do » any type of cameo, probably bigger. » any type of cameo, probably bigger. » any type of cameo, probably bigger. » partnership, you know. » partnership, you know. » partnership, you know. » cameo. » cameo. » cameo. » » » » That real quick funny story. That's » That real quick funny story. That's » That real quick funny story. That's where I There was where I There was where I There was There was one time I felt smart. There was one time I felt smart. There was one time I felt smart. We were giving away a cabin. This would We were giving away a cabin. This would We were giving away a cabin. This would be like they had done a vehicle be like they had done a vehicle be like they had done a vehicle like a cabin giveaway before my time, like a cabin giveaway before my time, like a cabin giveaway before my time, but we were giving away this new one but we were giving away this new one but we were giving away this new one that was off the White River. that was off the White River. that was off the White River. And this is at the height of Yellowstone And this is at the height of Yellowstone And this is at the height of Yellowstone being like cultural conversation. being like cultural conversation. being like cultural conversation. And I was And I was And I was really frustrated with our marketing really frustrated with our marketing really frustrated with our marketing team, not at them, but we were paying team, not at them, but we were paying team, not at them, but we were paying for these beautiful assets with artists. for these beautiful assets with artists. for these beautiful assets with artists. Like paying camera crews and like and Like paying camera crews and like and Like paying camera crews and like and we'd run ads and you guys know about we'd run ads and you guys know about we'd run ads and you guys know about this. And it'd be the stupid freaking this. And it'd be the stupid freaking this. And it'd be the stupid freaking iPhone video that would iPhone video that would iPhone video that would » outperform » outperform » outperform » take all the spend, outperform » take all the spend, outperform » take all the spend, outperform everything. And I was like essentially everything. And I was like essentially everything. And I was like essentially throwing a fit. I'm like, "Well, that's throwing a fit. I'm like, "Well, that's throwing a fit. I'm like, "Well, that's what we're doing then, guys. And I'm what we're doing then, guys. And I'm what we're doing then, guys. And I'm just going to book on Cameo." just going to book on Cameo." just going to book on Cameo." » » » » And so I went to Cameo and Jefferson » And so I went to Cameo and Jefferson » And so I went to Cameo and Jefferson White, who plays Jimmy on Yellowstone, White, who plays Jimmy on Yellowstone, White, who plays Jimmy on Yellowstone, which is kind of like fan-favorite which is kind of like fan-favorite which is kind of like fan-favorite character in Yellowstone, was on Cameo character in Yellowstone, was on Cameo character in Yellowstone, was on Cameo and this is still kind of early enough and this is still kind of early enough and this is still kind of early enough like I think that we paid 800 bucks for like I think that we paid 800 bucks for like I think that we paid 800 bucks for him to do this video. him to do this video. him to do this video. And it And it And it crushed. crushed. crushed. » » » » And so that was a commercial license on » And so that was a commercial license on » And so that was a commercial license on Cameo? Like you're able to re-market Cameo? Like you're able to re-market Cameo? Like you're able to re-market that? that? that? » I went a little further than what the » I went a little further than what the » I went a little further than what the Cameo license allowed. Cameo license allowed. Cameo license allowed. So I reach out and I'm like, "You know So I reach out and I'm like, "You know So I reach out and I'm like, "You know what? We should really do something more what? We should really do something more what? We should really do something more with this guy on this campaign cuz it's with this guy on this campaign cuz it's with this guy on this campaign cuz it's running for those running for those running for those massive sweepstakes would often run from massive sweepstakes would often run from massive sweepstakes would often run from 6 months to a year cuz you had to recoup 6 months to a year cuz you had to recoup 6 months to a year cuz you had to recoup in order to like give away a in order to like give away a in order to like give away a million-dollar prize. I mean, you had to million-dollar prize. I mean, you had to million-dollar prize. I mean, you had to generate a lot of income to justify. And generate a lot of income to justify. And generate a lot of income to justify. And so so so I reached out to his agent, who was a I reached out to his agent, who was a I reached out to his agent, who was a Hollywood agent, and was a complete like Hollywood agent, and was a complete like Hollywood agent, and was a complete like nightmare. nightmare. nightmare. And or at least maybe one of the agents, And or at least maybe one of the agents, And or at least maybe one of the agents, not his manager. I can't remember the not his manager. I can't remember the not his manager. I can't remember the character. And I was like, "You know, if character. And I was like, "You know, if character. And I was like, "You know, if I could just talk to him, I think I I could just talk to him, I think I I could just talk to him, I think I could." could." could." » » » » And so I go in to Cameo and I dispute my » And so I go in to Cameo and I dispute my » And so I go in to Cameo and I dispute my video because I realize he's getting video because I realize he's getting video because I realize he's getting those directly because the artist get those directly because the artist get those directly because the artist get the request to do the videos. the request to do the videos. the request to do the videos. » do it on their phone. » do it on their phone. » do it on their phone. » come through management like everything » come through management like everything » come through management like everything else. else. else. And so I disputed it I put my info in And so I disputed it I put my info in And so I disputed it I put my info in there and he hits me up there and he hits me up there and he hits me up through Cameo. through Cameo. through Cameo. » Dude. » Dude. » Dude. » And then I talked to his actual like » And then I talked to his actual like » And then I talked to his actual like direct guy and we work out a deal. I direct guy and we work out a deal. I direct guy and we work out a deal. I said we'll pay you to come to Northwest said we'll pay you to come to Northwest said we'll pay you to come to Northwest Arkansas. We're going to do a shoot all Arkansas. We're going to do a shoot all Arkansas. We're going to do a shoot all this for a modest amount and he was so this for a modest amount and he was so this for a modest amount and he was so game to do it. It would have cost like game to do it. It would have cost like game to do it. It would have cost like eight or nine times more through the eight or nine times more through the eight or nine times more through the agent and the like agent and the like agent and the like and he came and he did it and we shot and he came and he did it and we shot and he came and he did it and we shot the assets and we ended up that was the assets and we ended up that was the assets and we ended up that was the first time we started running like TV first time we started running like TV first time we started running like TV commercials and got into new channels commercials and got into new channels commercials and got into new channels and it just crushed and it was having and it just crushed and it was having and it just crushed and it was having you know a recognizable face but also you know a recognizable face but also you know a recognizable face but also someone at the center of culture at the someone at the center of culture at the someone at the center of culture at the time with a really great prize product and with a really great prize product and with a really great prize product and again and at this point the pricing is again and at this point the pricing is again and at this point the pricing is taking off more than I had hoped it taking off more than I had hoped it taking off more than I had hoped it would. It was still great. It was just would. It was still great. It was just would. It was still great. It was just like I was hoping we'd get more media, like I was hoping we'd get more media, like I was hoping we'd get more media, you know, we were still developing the you know, we were still developing the you know, we were still developing the app and app and app and furthering » Your your goal was to access for the » Your your goal was to access for the » Your your goal was to access for the members. members. members. » in the midst of all of this we » in the midst of all of this we » in the midst of all of this we it blows up and things are going really it blows up and things are going really it blows up and things are going really well and people start taking interest well and people start taking interest well and people start taking interest and we're like, you know, should we and we're like, you know, should we and we're like, you know, should we we've done like a friends and family, we've done like a friends and family, we've done like a friends and family, you know, call and raise a little bit. you know, call and raise a little bit. you know, call and raise a little bit. But we were able to keep growing within But we were able to keep growing within But we were able to keep growing within reason on our own. reason on our own. reason on our own. Um Um Um back up I had invested back up I had invested back up I had invested in the company when I was still working in the company when I was still working in the company when I was still working with him as a client said I'll work a with him as a client said I'll work a with him as a client said I'll work a little bit more work a little bit more little bit more work a little bit more little bit more work a little bit more and then eventually I was like they're and then eventually I was like they're and then eventually I was like they're like would you just you're kind of like would you just you're kind of like would you just you're kind of facing this especially in Nashville and facing this especially in Nashville and facing this especially in Nashville and within a lot of the partnerships within a lot of the partnerships within a lot of the partnerships and you have you know, I have a decent and you have you know, I have a decent and you have you know, I have a decent knack for leadership but like knack for leadership but like knack for leadership but like I agreed to be the operations guy and I agreed to be the operations guy and I agreed to be the operations guy and then I was the CEO and so I was running then I was the CEO and so I was running then I was the CEO and so I was running things at that point along with an things at that point along with an things at that point along with an incredible crew. But I incredible crew. But I incredible crew. But I we had entertained we had hired we had entertained we had hired we had entertained we had hired representation out of Boston and we were representation out of Boston and we were representation out of Boston and we were looking at doing like a proper cap raise looking at doing like a proper cap raise looking at doing like a proper cap raise which I learned so much. And a lot of which I learned so much. And a lot of which I learned so much. And a lot of the conversation that started to come the conversation that started to come the conversation that started to come about and some of that was with Penn about and some of that was with Penn about and some of that was with Penn Entertainment which had Barstool Sports. Entertainment which had Barstool Sports. Entertainment which had Barstool Sports. And so they're like in Barstool there And so they're like in Barstool there And so they're like in Barstool there was a lot of was a lot of was a lot of industry comparison cuz we weren't industry comparison cuz we weren't industry comparison cuz we weren't gambling but we were sweeps prizes all gambling but we were sweeps prizes all gambling but we were sweeps prizes all that in content. Right. For the country that in content. Right. For the country that in content. Right. For the country demographic. And country is you guys demographic. And country is you guys demographic. And country is you guys probably have realized probably have realized probably have realized was and is becoming cooler and cooler was and is becoming cooler and cooler was and is becoming cooler and cooler and cooler. and cooler. and cooler. » [snorts] » [snorts] » [snorts] » And so we had gone through a lot of » And so we had gone through a lot of » And so we had gone through a lot of discussions about discussions about discussions about yeah, raising capital and decided not to yeah, raising capital and decided not to yeah, raising capital and decided not to cuz we're like I think we could do this cuz we're like I think we could do this cuz we're like I think we could do this ourselves. I think ourselves. I think ourselves. I think and so continued forward um and so continued forward um and so continued forward um and anyways I mean it just and anyways I mean it just and anyways I mean it just there's so much to unpack and you can there's so much to unpack and you can there's so much to unpack and you can ask me whatever I mean in that but ask me whatever I mean in that but ask me whatever I mean in that but really I left last June and it was really I left last June and it was really I left last June and it was mostly because like there wasn't bad mostly because like there wasn't bad mostly because like there wasn't bad blood. It was just we had a lot of blood. It was just we had a lot of blood. It was just we had a lot of different opinions on where the different opinions on where the different opinions on where the opportunity was and I think everyone was opportunity was and I think everyone was opportunity was and I think everyone was really excited about the gaming. And I really excited about the gaming. And I really excited about the gaming. And I as an investor I'm like as an investor I'm like as an investor I'm like I'm game for that. But I don't want to I'm game for that. But I don't want to I'm game for that. But I don't want to run like that's not where my run like that's not where my run like that's not where my » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » I'm not going to be best for that. You » I'm not going to be best for that. You » I'm not going to be best for that. You know, like I can still advocate be but know, like I can still advocate be but know, like I can still advocate be but like if we're moving away from a lot of like if we're moving away from a lot of like if we're moving away from a lot of the media partnerships the media partnerships the media partnerships let's rework that. And so again just one let's rework that. And so again just one let's rework that. And so again just one of those things where it's like not so of those things where it's like not so of those things where it's like not so curious about this anymore. And I have curious about this anymore. And I have curious about this anymore. And I have the fortunate ability to kind of have that fortunate ability to kind of have that fortunate ability to kind of have that flexibility like flexibility like flexibility like » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » you know, where I can move in and out of » you know, where I can move in and out of » you know, where I can move in and out of that. And so that. And so that. And so have started working with artists and have started working with artists and have started working with artists and brands again doing some of what I was brands again doing some of what I was brands again doing some of what I was doing before and it kind of my favorite doing before and it kind of my favorite doing before and it kind of my favorite thing about it and I'm in it right now thing about it and I'm in it right now thing about it and I'm in it right now with one project that I won't share too much one project that I won't share too much one project that I won't share too much but it's like but it's like but it's like might invest a little on that. It's kind might invest a little on that. It's kind might invest a little on that. It's kind of the best way to like date potential of the best way to like date potential of the best way to like date potential opportunities. opportunities. opportunities. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And step into it and that's kind of » And step into it and that's kind of » And step into it and that's kind of » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » what I'd like to do. But we'll see. » what I'd like to do. But we'll see. » what I'd like to do. But we'll see. » Who's the coolest? I mean, that » Who's the coolest? I mean, that » Who's the coolest? I mean, that That's kind of putting me on the spot. That's kind of putting me on the spot. That's kind of putting me on the spot. » answer for a long question. » answer for a long question. » answer for a long question. » you obviously don't understand this » you obviously don't understand this » you obviously don't understand this podcast. This podcast is about creating podcast. This podcast is about creating podcast. This podcast is about creating a long format about your life that most a long format about your life that most a long format about your life that most people won't get. people won't get. people won't get. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » And you just gave it to them. So, thank » And you just gave it to them. So, thank » And you just gave it to them. So, thank you for doing that. you for doing that. you for doing that. » You're welcome. » You're welcome. » You're welcome. » You did great. » You did great. » You did great. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » excellent. » excellent. » excellent. » I know you're tired. hearing myself » I know you're tired. hearing myself » I know you're tired. hearing myself talk. talk. talk. » I was just like, oh, he thinks I should » I was just like, oh, he thinks I should » I was just like, oh, he thinks I should keep it around. I'm not going to. I'm keep it around. I'm not going to. I'm keep it around. I'm not going to. I'm going to let him go through the whole going to let him go through the whole going to let him go through the whole story. story. story. » » » » Now, ask me a question. » Um I Yeah, now the podcast is good. » Um I Yeah, now the podcast is good. Hey everyone, this is Sammy Hey everyone, this is Sammy Hey everyone, this is Sammy Faye with the Killer Groove podcast. Faye with the Killer Groove podcast. Faye with the Killer Groove podcast. Today I'm Chase Life. Today I'm Chase Life. Today I'm Chase Life. » Mom, we're still here. » Mom, we're still here. » Mom, we're still here. » Um I I was curious uh » Um I I was curious uh » Um I I was curious uh you've had a relationship with so many you've had a relationship with so many you've had a relationship with so many famous people. famous people. famous people. Um and like what does that actually Um and like what does that actually Um and like what does that actually mean? Like a relationship or a They know mean? Like a relationship or a They know mean? Like a relationship or a They know who you They know your name versus who you They know your name versus who you They know your name versus » Like give me the degree. Like I think of » Like give me the degree. Like I think of » Like give me the degree. Like I think of the analogy of you have enemies, allies, the analogy of you have enemies, allies, the analogy of you have enemies, allies, or enemies, adversaries, allies, or enemies, adversaries, allies, or enemies, adversaries, allies, friends, right? And you have very few friends, right? And you have very few friends, right? And you have very few friends and you can have a lot of friends and you can have a lot of friends and you can have a lot of allies, but like Yeah, talk about those allies, but like Yeah, talk about those allies, but like Yeah, talk about those relationships. relationships. relationships. » just like anything. » just like anything. » just like anything. It's all It's all It's all person by person. Um There's I I tell person by person. Um There's I I tell person by person. Um There's I I tell people I was thinking about this recently. I I was thinking about this recently. I I was thinking about this recently. I was speaking at something in Nashville a was speaking at something in Nashville a was speaking at something in Nashville a few months ago and few months ago and few months ago and you know, you've met everyone. I feel you know, you've met everyone. I feel you know, you've met everyone. I feel like I've met everyone. But what's cool like I've met everyone. But what's cool like I've met everyone. But what's cool is when you reflect on the people you've is when you reflect on the people you've is when you reflect on the people you've had meals with. had meals with. had meals with. And I think that's like, you know, And I think that's like, you know, And I think that's like, you know, you know, you get into the Taylors and you know, you get into the Taylors and you know, you get into the Taylors and all that. Like we're not like best all that. Like we're not like best all that. Like we're not like best friends and we're not even I wouldn't friends and we're not even I wouldn't friends and we're not even I wouldn't even say like close. But that's someone even say like close. But that's someone even say like close. But that's someone when I see her, she knows me. It's like when I see her, she knows me. It's like when I see her, she knows me. It's like in in in » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » I think people have always associated me » I think people have always associated me » I think people have always associated me as like a hardworking as like a hardworking as like a hardworking kid from a small town in Kansas. At kid from a small town in Kansas. At kid from a small town in Kansas. At least like I know the New York folks are least like I know the New York folks are least like I know the New York folks are a lot of why I stood out there. a lot of why I stood out there. a lot of why I stood out there. » You do stand out from there. » You do stand out from there. » You do stand out from there. » Well, I think it was to to them they're » Well, I think it was to to them they're » Well, I think it was to to them they're like it was also during the Ted Lasso time, it was also during the Ted Lasso time, it was also during the Ted Lasso time, but they're like it's just amazing when but they're like it's just amazing when but they're like it's just amazing when someone shows up in a play like in New someone shows up in a play like in New someone shows up in a play like in New York spaces York spaces York spaces » Right. » Right. » Right. » and you're just kind and like open the » and you're just kind and like open the » and you're just kind and like open the door and like door and like door and like » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » cuz everyone's just so » cuz everyone's just so » cuz everyone's just so » rigid. » rigid. » rigid. » And New Yorkers are great, but it's just » And New Yorkers are great, but it's just » And New Yorkers are great, but it's just different. different. different. And I think that there have been people And I think that there have been people And I think that there have been people and artists that I have grown really and artists that I have grown really and artists that I have grown really close with, you know, a few of them that close with, you know, a few of them that close with, you know, a few of them that I consider dear friends. You know, I consider dear friends. You know, I consider dear friends. You know, you get into some of the guys like you get into some of the guys like you get into some of the guys like Jordan and Chase. Jordan and Chase. Jordan and Chase. Um and you know, but there's these Um and you know, but there's these Um and you know, but there's these artists where it's like artists where it's like artists where it's like certain mega stars that have given you certain mega stars that have given you certain mega stars that have given you attention and kind of like been attention and kind of like been attention and kind of like been supportive when you've pitched supportive when you've pitched supportive when you've pitched something. And that equally I have to something. And that equally I have to something. And that equally I have to say is like their team. You know, say is like their team. You know, say is like their team. You know, » Yeah, I get what you » Yeah, I get what you » Yeah, I get what you » you're working with them. And the artist » you're working with them. And the artist » you're working with them. And the artist manages so much. It's really a funny manages so much. It's really a funny manages so much. It's really a funny business because business because business because I always remind people like the artist I always remind people like the artist I always remind people like the artist is is is the product. And in any other thing we the product. And in any other thing we the product. And in any other thing we can create more of the product. Well, can create more of the product. Well, can create more of the product. Well, really them being the product it's their really them being the product it's their really them being the product it's their time. And they have the same 24 hours in time. And they have the same 24 hours in time. And they have the same 24 hours in the day that we do. So, we have to be the day that we do. So, we have to be the day that we do. So, we have to be very diligent and careful about their very diligent and careful about their very diligent and careful about their time because time because time because there's a lot of times and I was even there's a lot of times and I was even there's a lot of times and I was even guilty in the beginning being like oh, guilty in the beginning being like oh, guilty in the beginning being like oh, he can do that. They're not that like he can do that. They're not that like he can do that. They're not that like well, well, well, you know, going to that thing. you know, going to that thing. you know, going to that thing. » his time. » his time. » his time. » Yeah, I mean it does. And it either » Yeah, I mean it does. And it either » Yeah, I mean it does. And it either takes away from like friends, family, takes away from like friends, family, takes away from like friends, family, like stuff that's going to keep them like stuff that's going to keep them like stuff that's going to keep them operating or takes away from or takes away from or takes away from » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » a lot of money. Like it's just » a lot of money. Like it's just » a lot of money. Like it's just and it's it really is a balance and each and it's it really is a balance and each and it's it really is a balance and each one has to approach that differently and one has to approach that differently and one has to approach that differently and I'm not trying to get off on that foot. I'm not trying to get off on that foot. I'm not trying to get off on that foot. » value No, and that's that's a really » value No, and that's that's a really » value No, and that's that's a really interesting concept of they're they're interesting concept of they're they're interesting concept of they're they're the product and they have an the product and they have an the product and they have an organizational structure around them, organizational structure around them, organizational structure around them, right? They have their own right? They have their own right? They have their own executive team. executive team. executive team. » like their executive team just most » like their executive team just most » like their executive team just most people don't realize like even for like people don't realize like even for like people don't realize like even for like a solid B-level artist that's had some a solid B-level artist that's had some a solid B-level artist that's had some success like you've got your manager, success like you've got your manager, success like you've got your manager, you've got your day-to-day manager, you've got your day-to-day manager, you've got your day-to-day manager, you have your tour manager, you have your have your tour manager, you have your have your tour manager, you have your business manager, and you have a business manager, and you have a business manager, and you have a publicist at least. And that's core and publicist at least. And that's core and publicist at least. And that's core and if there's you know, a lot of them you if there's you know, a lot of them you if there's you know, a lot of them you know, they employ know, they employ know, they employ the touring team. the touring team. the touring team. » Oh, yeah. » Oh, yeah. » Oh, yeah. » And it's like touring is » And it's like touring is » And it's like touring is so there could be a lot more people, but so there could be a lot more people, but so there could be a lot more people, but that's like your exact team. You know, that's like your exact team. You know, that's like your exact team. You know, at least five and a lot of these guys at least five and a lot of these guys at least five and a lot of these guys don't know business very well and you don't know business very well and you don't know business very well and you and you see that. That's where and you see that. That's where and you see that. That's where you know, I'm working with a guy right you know, I'm working with a guy right you know, I'm working with a guy right now who now who now who kind of rethinking and helping him kind of rethinking and helping him kind of rethinking and helping him understand the actual business side of understand the actual business side of understand the actual business side of it. it. it. » team doesn't or the artist? The artist » team doesn't or the artist? The artist » team doesn't or the artist? The artist does. Got you. does. Got you. does. Got you. » And that's tough and that's where they » And that's tough and that's where they » And that's tough and that's where they can get taken advantage of. And there's can get taken advantage of. And there's can get taken advantage of. And there's not a lot of that in our format. Like not a lot of that in our format. Like not a lot of that in our format. Like Nashville's awesome. Nashville artists Nashville's awesome. Nashville artists Nashville's awesome. Nashville artists are awesome. We have a few bad apples, are awesome. We have a few bad apples, are awesome. We have a few bad apples, but like there is a but like there is a but like there is a a bar that has been set by people like a bar that has been set by people like a bar that has been set by people like Reba and George and Dolly and like where Reba and George and Dolly and like where Reba and George and Dolly and like where they protect they protect they protect the reputation and it's like if you're a the reputation and it's like if you're a the reputation and it's like if you're a little punk ass artist that's doing little punk ass artist that's doing little punk ass artist that's doing things that isn't you're going to get a things that isn't you're going to get a things that isn't you're going to get a phone call. phone call. phone call. And like I still think other genres have And like I still think other genres have And like I still think other genres have that. that. that. » Interesting. » Interesting. » Interesting. » And it's and I really respect it and I » And it's and I really respect it and I » And it's and I really respect it and I think it's think it's think it's » Sounds like a cult. » Sounds like a cult. » Sounds like a cult. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » No, I get » No, I get » No, I get » » » » If it is » If it is » If it is I love being a part of it. I'm drinking the Kool-Aid. I'm drinking the Kool-Aid. It's fine. It's just really good people It's fine. It's just really good people It's fine. It's just really good people and that's what I think makes it so fun and that's what I think makes it so fun and that's what I think makes it so fun and it kind of feels like family, but and it kind of feels like family, but and it kind of feels like family, but yeah, the relationship side I mean it yeah, the relationship side I mean it yeah, the relationship side I mean it it's just everyone it's it's so it's just everyone it's it's so it's just everyone it's it's so different. different. different. » like a big deal for people at that level » like a big deal for people at that level » like a big deal for people at that level to have friends. I would think being you to have friends. I would think being you to have friends. I would think being you know, these big successful artists know, these big successful artists know, these big successful artists or anybody that's like famous, I think or anybody that's like famous, I think or anybody that's like famous, I think friendship would be tough. friendship would be tough. friendship would be tough. » I think » I think » I think » Like true friendship where that's And » Like true friendship where that's And » Like true friendship where that's And you see some of these people, they still you see some of these people, they still you see some of these people, they still have the same people they had in high have the same people they had in high have the same people they had in high school, right? Cuz at least school, right? Cuz at least school, right? Cuz at least » it's new friendship that's tough. » it's new friendship that's tough. » it's new friendship that's tough. » That's Yeah, that's a good way to put » That's Yeah, that's a good way to put » That's Yeah, that's a good way to put it. I think all of them it. I think all of them it. I think all of them the most I know, it's it's they're the most I know, it's it's they're the most I know, it's it's they're willing, it's it's just tough one, to willing, it's it's just tough one, to willing, it's it's just tough one, to create time and space to make new create time and space to make new create time and space to make new friends, but two, often times people friends, but two, often times people friends, but two, often times people you know, just they're they're putting you know, just they're they're putting you know, just they're they're putting on some version of themselves that they on some version of themselves that they on some version of themselves that they think this person wants them to be in think this person wants them to be in think this person wants them to be in meeting or interacting and you know, meeting or interacting and you know, meeting or interacting and you know, it's just it's just it's just » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Not a lot of people come in and » Not a lot of people come in and » Not a lot of people come in and instantly feel comfortable around instantly feel comfortable around instantly feel comfortable around someone who's super famous. someone who's super famous. someone who's super famous. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And » And » And I mean, that's I mean, that's I mean, that's » I get nervous and start sweating every » I get nervous and start sweating every » I get nervous and start sweating every time I see you. time I see you. time I see you. » There's » There's » There's I mean, let's be real, okay? But I think I mean, let's be real, okay? But I think I mean, let's be real, okay? But I think like crazy my craziest Nashville story, like crazy my craziest Nashville story, like crazy my craziest Nashville story, honestly, and honestly, and honestly, and it was the second time I think I went to it was the second time I think I went to it was the second time I think I went to the CMA Awards and we were doing a the CMA Awards and we were doing a the CMA Awards and we were doing a broadcast and broadcast and broadcast and they have these like media rooms where they have these like media rooms where they have these like media rooms where they bring artists in and they'll do they bring artists in and they'll do they bring artists in and they'll do interviews with like 10 different shows. interviews with like 10 different shows. interviews with like 10 different shows. They'll kind of move around the room and They'll kind of move around the room and They'll kind of move around the room and they were doing a press conference with they were doing a press conference with they were doing a press conference with Dolly Parton. I love Dolly Parton. Dolly Parton. I love Dolly Parton. Dolly Parton. I love Dolly Parton. That's a whole other podcast. That's a whole other podcast. That's a whole other podcast. » Right. » Right. » Right. » But I think she is the top of » But I think she is the top of » But I think she is the top of what everything an entertainer and what everything an entertainer and what everything an entertainer and someone with that kind of like someone with that kind of like someone with that kind of like statush should be. But she was doing a statush should be. But she was doing a statush should be. But she was doing a press conference about doing this thing press conference about doing this thing press conference about doing this thing from London. from London. from London. We go to it. We go to it. We go to it. Carrie Underwood just won American Idol. Carrie Underwood just won American Idol. Carrie Underwood just won American Idol. I I I » Wow. » Wow. » Wow. » I'd take that as a » I'd take that as a » I'd take that as a » reception happening. Small reception » reception happening. Small reception » reception happening. Small reception upstairs. You have to take the elevator upstairs. You have to take the elevator upstairs. You have to take the elevator after. after. after. I go out. I don't know what I was doing, I go out. I don't know what I was doing, I go out. I don't know what I was doing, but I go back in. I'm by myself. The but I go back in. I'm by myself. The but I go back in. I'm by myself. The elevator door opens. elevator door opens. elevator door opens. And I And I And I you not. you not. you not. It is Wynonna Judd with George Jones It is Wynonna Judd with George Jones It is Wynonna Judd with George Jones with Dolly Parton with Dolly Parton with Dolly Parton » god. » god. » god. » and they're standing and having a » and they're standing and having a » and they're standing and having a conversation and I walk out conversation and I walk out conversation and I walk out » do? » do? » do? » and Dolly Parton before I » and Dolly Parton before I » and Dolly Parton before I try to say anything try to say anything try to say anything Well, hi there blue eyes. Like just like Well, hi there blue eyes. Like just like Well, hi there blue eyes. Like just like instantly and I say like instantly and I say like instantly and I say like that's why she is such a pro that's why she is such a pro that's why she is such a pro » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » and why so many of our like she knows » and why so many of our like she knows » and why so many of our like she knows how to instantly like this boy's walking how to instantly like this boy's walking how to instantly like this boy's walking into » Wow. » Wow. » disarm, make you feel welcome and you're » disarm, make you feel welcome and you're » disarm, make you feel welcome and you're like this is crazy. like this is crazy. like this is crazy. And so and again creative people a lot And so and again creative people a lot And so and again creative people a lot of artists obviously being creative of artists obviously being creative of artists obviously being creative people a lot of them are introverts and people a lot of them are introverts and people a lot of them are introverts and so too it's it's not that they don't so too it's it's not that they don't so too it's it's not that they don't like people but like they recharge with like people but like they recharge with like people but like they recharge with some alone time and some alone time and some alone time and » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » people perceive that as well he's kind » people perceive that as well he's kind » people perceive that as well he's kind of of of » reclusive » reclusive » reclusive » Yeah, like that's like that's not the » Yeah, like that's like that's not the » Yeah, like that's like that's not the case but case but case but there's a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot of » That's good. I was literally going to » That's good. I was literally going to » That's good. I was literally going to ask you like what was a crazy moment ask you like what was a crazy moment ask you like what was a crazy moment interaction. That's interaction. That's interaction. That's That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. » I honestly and I didn't know at the » I honestly and I didn't know at the » I honestly and I didn't know at the time how crazy it was. time how crazy it was. time how crazy it was. » Right. » Right. » Right. » Thinking like George Jones » Thinking like George Jones » Thinking like George Jones I think there's somewhere I found on the I think there's somewhere I found on the I think there's somewhere I found on the internet a picture from that party that internet a picture from that party that internet a picture from that party that a few of them I saved it somewhere just a few of them I saved it somewhere just a few of them I saved it somewhere just cuz I want to have it but cuz I want to have it but cuz I want to have it but it was wild. it was wild. it was wild. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And that's the thing too like I was » And that's the thing too like I was » And that's the thing too like I was talking at the prayer breakfast it was the first at the prayer breakfast it was the first at the prayer breakfast it was the first time like time like time like my brother they don't give me crap my brother they don't give me crap my brother they don't give me crap they're like Chase loves to be they're like Chase loves to be they're like Chase loves to be the center of attention center of attention center of attention » » » » and there's some of that's true but » and there's some of that's true but » and there's some of that's true but there's most of it that's not and I I there's most of it that's not and I I there's most of it that's not and I I think like even my family think like even my family think like even my family I haven't shared so many of those I haven't shared so many of those I haven't shared so many of those stories cuz I don't ever want it to be like I'm I don't ever want it to be like I'm I don't ever want it to be like I'm special I'm this I'm that cuz I don't special I'm this I'm that cuz I don't special I'm this I'm that cuz I don't think that but I I do think like I've think that but I I do think like I've think that but I I do think like I've been blessed with a really big life. been blessed with a really big life. been blessed with a really big life. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And it's really fun. » And it's really fun. » And it's really fun. » Right. » Right. » Right. » And I've pursued the fun in it like yeah » And I've pursued the fun in it like yeah » And I've pursued the fun in it like yeah it's kind of by design and even like it's kind of by design and even like it's kind of by design and even like getting into my living situation, I've getting into my living situation, I've getting into my living situation, I've got a little place here. So I'm like got a little place here. So I'm like got a little place here. So I'm like back a decent amount in El Dorado. I back a decent amount in El Dorado. I back a decent amount in El Dorado. I live in Northwest Arkansas, which live in Northwest Arkansas, which live in Northwest Arkansas, which real quickly real quickly real quickly I mean that's been you go into like I mean that's been you go into like I mean that's been you go into like again having sat and had meals with some again having sat and had meals with some again having sat and had meals with some of the most famous people in the world, of the most famous people in the world, of the most famous people in the world, but also some of the wealthiest. but also some of the wealthiest. but also some of the wealthiest. I mean the Walton family, they're the I mean the Walton family, they're the I mean the Walton family, they're the wealthiest family in the world. wealthiest family in the world. wealthiest family in the world. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » More than the Saudis. More than the like » More than the Saudis. More than the like » More than the Saudis. More than the like the world. the world. the world. And somehow I laugh when [snorts] I end up somehow I laugh when [snorts] I end up somehow I laugh when [snorts] I end up in situations where I'm getting to meet in situations where I'm getting to meet in situations where I'm getting to meet people like that and different families people like that and different families people like that and different families down there that down there that down there that and it just like and it just like and it just like in Nashville, New York, I feel so in Nashville, New York, I feel so in Nashville, New York, I feel so genuinely grateful and blessed that like genuinely grateful and blessed that like genuinely grateful and blessed that like I just have a lot of people I love in a I just have a lot of people I love in a I just have a lot of people I love in a lot of different places. lot of different places. lot of different places. » Yeah. Well, I think the cool thing is » Yeah. Well, I think the cool thing is » Yeah. Well, I think the cool thing is that you love a lot of people that you love a lot of people that you love a lot of people regardless if you would have stayed in regardless if you would have stayed in regardless if you would have stayed in El Dorado or stayed in Wichita, you El Dorado or stayed in Wichita, you El Dorado or stayed in Wichita, you would have still loved a lot of people would have still loved a lot of people would have still loved a lot of people and kept loving more people and then you and kept loving more people and then you and kept loving more people and then you got to take that skill set which you got to take that skill set which you got to take that skill set which you have which people feel and that's a have which people feel and that's a have which people feel and that's a contagious part about you. You got to go contagious part about you. You got to go contagious part about you. You got to go do that all over the country with a lot do that all over the country with a lot do that all over the country with a lot of different levels and different skill of different levels and different skill of different levels and different skill sets. sets. sets. » And it's like that's where it's like for » And it's like that's where it's like for » And it's like that's where it's like for me me me it also fills my cup cuz I I'm an it also fills my cup cuz I I'm an it also fills my cup cuz I I'm an introvert. I recharge by myself. My mom introvert. I recharge by myself. My mom introvert. I recharge by myself. My mom was always like, "You might be a little was always like, "You might be a little was always like, "You might be a little too lonely." I'm like, "I'm not lonely, too lonely." I'm like, "I'm not lonely, too lonely." I'm like, "I'm not lonely, but I love solitude." Like love it. It's but I love solitude." Like love it. It's but I love solitude." Like love it. It's like my like my like my walk with the Lord like all of that walk with the Lord like all of that walk with the Lord like all of that feels most dialed when I get to like feels most dialed when I get to like feels most dialed when I get to like really get silent. really get silent. really get silent. And coming back to El Dorado, I do a lot And coming back to El Dorado, I do a lot And coming back to El Dorado, I do a lot of extroverted things out there, but of extroverted things out there, but of extroverted things out there, but coming back here I'm still acts like I coming back here I'm still acts like I coming back here I'm still acts like I love seeing everyone, but man I love seeing everyone, but man I love seeing everyone, but man I recharge, I rest, it feels recharge, I rest, it feels recharge, I rest, it feels » Yeah, it really do. I love it. » Yeah, it really do. I love it. » Yeah, it really do. I love it. » I was joking so talking about downtown » I was joking so talking about downtown » I was joking so talking about downtown El Dorado, seeing what Nathan and his El Dorado, seeing what Nathan and his El Dorado, seeing what Nathan and his wife what they're doing with District wife what they're doing with District wife what they're doing with District 142. 142. 142. » It's a Wiffle ball? » It's a Wiffle ball? » It's a Wiffle ball? » Yeah, Wiffle ball. Yep. » Yeah, Wiffle ball. Yep. » Yeah, Wiffle ball. Yep. » I think it's the coolest damn project » I think it's the coolest damn project » I think it's the coolest damn project that anyone has ever done in my that anyone has ever done in my that anyone has ever done in my life here. I think it's so cool. I am so life here. I think it's so cool. I am so life here. I think it's so cool. I am so excited for the community to have it. I excited for the community to have it. I excited for the community to have it. I hope everyone embraces it. All the hope everyone embraces it. All the hope everyone embraces it. All the things. But we were talking yesterday things. But we were talking yesterday things. But we were talking yesterday when I formed that entity, the hope was when I formed that entity, the hope was when I formed that entity, the hope was and it still is and I don't know if and it still is and I don't know if and it still is and I don't know if and when the time will be right and I think when the time will be right and I think when the time will be right and I think we've talked about it. But like we've talked about it. But like we've talked about it. But like I really want to go work I really want to go work I really want to go work and develop opportunities with some of and develop opportunities with some of and develop opportunities with some of these people. these people. these people. But eventually But eventually But eventually » You said like Batcave. » You said like Batcave. » You said like Batcave. » » » » You're going to bring some trusted into » You're going to bring some trusted into » You're going to bring some trusted into the Batcave. the Batcave. the Batcave. » I want to be like I've always wanted to » I want to be like I've always wanted to » I want to be like I've always wanted to have an office in downtown El Dorado and have an office in downtown El Dorado and have an office in downtown El Dorado and like hang my hat here and travel to like hang my hat here and travel to like hang my hat here and travel to those people and things. The reason I those people and things. The reason I those people and things. The reason I haven't yet is because business has been haven't yet is because business has been haven't yet is because business has been great, you know, this stretch of time great, you know, this stretch of time great, you know, this stretch of time and our flight situation which is not and our flight situation which is not and our flight situation which is not great. great. great. Yeah, like it really like if we had even Yeah, like it really like if we had even Yeah, like it really like if we had even just a few I'd be like tomorrow would do just a few I'd be like tomorrow would do just a few I'd be like tomorrow would do it. And so someday I think I hope that's it. And so someday I think I hope that's it. And so someday I think I hope that's in the cards, but I get excited about in the cards, but I get excited about in the cards, but I get excited about like I still have so many ideas for El I still have so many ideas for El I still have so many ideas for El Dorado. Not not that like Dorado. Not not that like Dorado. Not not that like But it's like I just there's so much fun But it's like I just there's so much fun But it's like I just there's so much fun and there's so many I'm really excited and there's so many I'm really excited and there's so many I'm really excited about our generation and specifically our generation and specifically our generation and specifically you know, we were talking before like I you know, we were talking before like I you know, we were talking before like I get so angry. get so angry. get so angry. I'm not a parent. I shouldn't weigh in. I'm not a parent. I shouldn't weigh in. I'm not a parent. I shouldn't weigh in. I get it. They're like, "Well, if you I get it. They're like, "Well, if you I get it. They're like, "Well, if you had a kid, you'd feel I know if I had a had a kid, you'd feel I know if I had a had a kid, you'd feel I know if I had a kid and things weren't going my way, I kid and things weren't going my way, I kid and things weren't going my way, I would not be putting that stuff on would not be putting that stuff on would not be putting that stuff on Facebook the way that some people are. I Facebook the way that some people are. I Facebook the way that some people are. I mean, I want to fight anyone that has mean, I want to fight anyone that has mean, I want to fight anyone that has anything bad to say about the community, anything bad to say about the community, anything bad to say about the community, specifically about USD 490. specifically about USD 490. specifically about USD 490. » Yeah. I will fight them. And I actually » Yeah. I will fight them. And I actually » Yeah. I will fight them. And I actually want to like want to like want to like » seen Jason so intense. » seen Jason so intense. » seen Jason so intense. » I want to put pictures » I want to put pictures » I want to put pictures » he wants to hurt me, but he's smiling. » he wants to hurt me, but he's smiling. » he wants to hurt me, but he's smiling. » It's really confusing. » It's really confusing. » It's really confusing. » Shame. Like I makes me so mad. » Shame. Like I makes me so mad. » Shame. Like I makes me so mad. » » » » But » But » But Where was I going with that? Where was I going with that? Where was I going with that? » know. I'm still trying to imagine you » know. I'm still trying to imagine you » know. I'm still trying to imagine you fighting someone. fighting someone. fighting someone. » The generation like I think luckily you » The generation like I think luckily you » The generation like I think luckily you guys my brothers, like so guys my brothers, like so guys my brothers, like so [clears throat] many of you, like [clears throat] many of you, like [clears throat] many of you, like there's this great set of parents there's this great set of parents there's this great set of parents » parents and young adults that have young » parents and young adults that have young » parents and young adults that have young kids, elementary age, that are about to kids, elementary age, that are about to kids, elementary age, that are about to start transitioning into like junior start transitioning into like junior start transitioning into like junior high, which is where I think you get high, which is where I think you get high, which is where I think you get more involved in like junior high, high more involved in like junior high, high more involved in like junior high, high school. school. school. » And these jackasses are going to be » And these jackasses are going to be » And these jackasses are going to be timing out. And I think we just need to timing out. And I think we just need to timing out. And I think we just need to not give them any more not give them any more not give them any more » credit. » credit. » credit. » I think we need to just let them go. But » I think we need to just let them go. But » I think we need to just let them go. But there's such a rich group of young there's such a rich group of young there's such a rich group of young people who if they can stay together in people who if they can stay together in people who if they can stay together in the community in the district, I think the community in the district, I think the community in the district, I think it is going to be a fun, vibrant time in it is going to be a fun, vibrant time in it is going to be a fun, vibrant time in our » Yeah, I think the up-and-coming » Yeah, I think the up-and-coming » Yeah, I think the up-and-coming » Such a fan. » Such a fan. » Such a fan. » exciting. And just the talent in El » exciting. And just the talent in El » exciting. And just the talent in El Dorado. I Dorado. I Dorado. I I've had so many people comment on this I've had so many people comment on this I've had so many people comment on this podcast already from outside of state. podcast already from outside of state. podcast already from outside of state. Like, you guys have some cool people in Like, you guys have some cool people in Like, you guys have some cool people in a town of 12,000 people. And I'm always a town of 12,000 people. And I'm always a town of 12,000 people. And I'm always shocked. Like, this conversation, right? shocked. Like, this conversation, right? shocked. Like, this conversation, right? » trying to like move you guys, but I also » trying to like move you guys, but I also » trying to like move you guys, but I also was saying to Nathan was saying to Nathan was saying to Nathan another like little dream as I another like little dream as I another like little dream as I was like there needs to be was like there needs to be was like there needs to be So, I think we're doing a podcast So, I think we're doing a podcast So, I think we're doing a podcast starting this fall for I Heart. starting this fall for I Heart. starting this fall for I Heart. It's going to be a natural thing, It's going to be a natural thing, It's going to be a natural thing, unrelated, but like unrelated, but like unrelated, but like I'm like, man, if I could do some of I'm like, man, if I could do some of I'm like, man, if I could do some of that in El Dorado and have you guys that in El Dorado and have you guys that in El Dorado and have you guys » tech like you produce it all. Yeah. » tech like you produce it all. Yeah. » tech like you produce it all. Yeah. » But I'm like, I want you guys eventually » But I'm like, I want you guys eventually » But I'm like, I want you guys eventually be so cool if you were downtown like if be so cool if you were downtown like if be so cool if you were downtown like if it was a storefront kind of thing where it was a storefront kind of thing where it was a storefront kind of thing where people could So, I'm manifesting that at people could So, I'm manifesting that at people could So, I'm manifesting that at one point. one point. one point. » Well, we can't be against the wall » Well, we can't be against the wall » Well, we can't be against the wall against the truck route forever. We're against the truck route forever. We're against the truck route forever. We're we're aware that this has a timeline on we're aware that this has a timeline on we're aware that this has a timeline on it. Um but for throwing it together. but it. Um but for throwing it together. but it. Um but for throwing it together. but no, I we've looked at property before no, I we've looked at property before no, I we've looked at property before and had dreams of turning a There was and had dreams of turning a There was and had dreams of turning a There was one particular we can talk about it one particular we can talk about it one particular we can talk about it later that we had a couple visions for later that we had a couple visions for later that we had a couple visions for that could be just a really cool media that could be just a really cool media that could be just a really cool media hub. Just overall that could be like a hub. Just overall that could be like a hub. Just overall that could be like a combine multi-use, right? combine multi-use, right? combine multi-use, right? And then getting people here and that's And then getting people here and that's And then getting people here and that's the thing that's been hard for me to the thing that's been hard for me to the thing that's been hard for me to think about when I talked to a guy that think about when I talked to a guy that think about when I talked to a guy that I think might fly in, I think might fly in, I think might fly in, then he's got to get from Wichita to then he's got to get from Wichita to then he's got to get from Wichita to here. here. here. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And I'm like » And I'm like » And I'm like » You've got to figure out how to make » You've got to figure out how to make » You've got to figure out how to make that so worth it, right? Like what that so worth it, right? Like what that so worth it, right? Like what I think you can. I think you've got to I think you can. I think you've got to I think you can. I think you've got to figure out what that thing is, but be a figure out what that thing is, but be a figure out what that thing is, but be a lot easier to just have a podcast in lot easier to just have a podcast in lot easier to just have a podcast in Wichita. Wichita. Wichita. » Well » Well » Well » Right by the airport. » Right by the airport. » Right by the airport. » It's no secret like You know, I failed that first audition, You know, I failed that first audition, but I crushed my next one with Michelle but I crushed my next one with Michelle but I crushed my next one with Michelle and I'm kind of known for being the and I'm kind of known for being the and I'm kind of known for being the cowardly lion in The Wizard of Oz. cowardly lion in The Wizard of Oz. cowardly lion in The Wizard of Oz. » » » » Uh » Uh » Uh » It's eighth grade. » It's eighth grade. » It's eighth grade. » Kind of a big deal. » Kind of a big deal. » Kind of a big deal. » Yeah, it was kind of, you know, » Yeah, it was kind of, you know, » Yeah, it was kind of, you know, » Drop that in the comments » Drop that in the comments » Drop that in the comments uh cuz I know you all remember. No, uh cuz I know you all remember. No, uh cuz I know you all remember. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But it was at the Performing Arts Center But it was at the Performing Arts Center But it was at the Performing Arts Center and I just have so much love for one, and I just have so much love for one, and I just have so much love for one, it's the only thing it's the only thing it's the only thing » that for all of us that grew up in the » that for all of us that grew up in the » that for all of us that grew up in the school system all of our schools are school system all of our schools are school system all of our schools are new, which is great, but it's like the new, which is great, but it's like the new, which is great, but it's like the one thing in a, you know, the basketball one thing in a, you know, the basketball one thing in a, you know, the basketball court out of high school. court out of high school. court out of high school. But it sits empty and that's not me But it sits empty and that's not me But it sits empty and that's not me crapping on anyone. It's just how do you crapping on anyone. It's just how do you crapping on anyone. It's just how do you program and how do you make the finances program and how do you make the finances program and how do you make the finances work » How do you make it appealing? » How do you make it appealing? » How do you make it appealing? » Yeah. Yeah. » Yeah. Yeah. » Yeah. Yeah. » And so » And so » And so as you work on that It can be done. as you work on that It can be done. as you work on that It can be done. » Oh, we can get there. » Oh, we can get there. » Oh, we can get there. » We can do it. » We can do it. » We can do it. » just got to take a collaboration on » just got to take a collaboration on » just got to take a collaboration on that. that. that. » I'm always hoping when there's more » I'm always hoping when there's more » I'm always hoping when there's more conversation around ICT conversation around ICT conversation around ICT we need better flights cuz the biggest we need better flights cuz the biggest we need better flights cuz the biggest thing is like when Amy came in and we thing is like when Amy came in and we thing is like when Amy came in and we did that deal to Performing Arts Center did that deal to Performing Arts Center did that deal to Performing Arts Center for the hospital, Amy Brown from the for the hospital, Amy Brown from the for the hospital, Amy Brown from the Bobby Bones Show, Bobby Bones Show, Bobby Bones Show, she was game to do it, but she had to she was game to do it, but she had to she was game to do it, but she had to account for like two days of travel account for like two days of travel account for like two days of travel because it was connecting, you know, and because it was connecting, you know, and because it was connecting, you know, and it's like it's like it's like that's a lot that's a big ask. It's not that's a lot that's a big ask. It's not that's a lot that's a big ask. It's not It's not flying out, but it's It's not flying out, but it's It's not flying out, but it's » Southwest had a direct to Nashville that » Southwest had a direct to Nashville that » Southwest had a direct to Nashville that I had taken in the past, but it was like I had taken in the past, but it was like I had taken in the past, but it was like one day a week. one day a week. one day a week. » Well, and that's the other thing. » Well, and that's the other thing. » Well, and that's the other thing. » so you'd have to do a whole week. Cuz » so you'd have to do a whole week. Cuz » so you'd have to do a whole week. Cuz there are some directs, but it's like there are some directs, but it's like there are some directs, but it's like you can only go to Vegas or New York. you can only go to Vegas or New York. you can only go to Vegas or New York. » have options and you can get people in, » have options and you can get people in, » have options and you can get people in, it's like Laura Bell coming in, we're it's like Laura Bell coming in, we're it's like Laura Bell coming in, we're looking at she's going to come in today. looking at she's going to come in today. looking at she's going to come in today. She'll be here two nights. And like She'll be here two nights. And like She'll be here two nights. And like you know, that makes the ask bigger when you know, that makes the ask bigger when you know, that makes the ask bigger when you're working and you have a family. you're working and you have a family. you're working and you have a family. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And it's just tough. But we'll get » And it's just tough. But we'll get » And it's just tough. But we'll get there. there. there. » but to your point, I think if the » but to your point, I think if the » but to your point, I think if the offering could be way bigger than just offering could be way bigger than just offering could be way bigger than just the thing, right? If there could be a the thing, right? If there could be a the thing, right? If there could be a ton of media behind it, a lot of this ton of media behind it, a lot of this ton of media behind it, a lot of this behind it. If there could be like a lot behind it. If there could be like a lot behind it. If there could be like a lot of collaboration, make it really worth of collaboration, make it really worth of collaboration, make it really worth it in person visit. it in person visit. it in person visit. » Um » Um » Um » Build it and they will » Build it and they will » Build it and they will » here's my other Are we talking about El » here's my other Are we talking about El » here's my other Are we talking about El Dorado? Dorado? Dorado? » » » » I also So I kind of was like, this is » I also So I kind of was like, this is » I also So I kind of was like, this is probably a terrible idea, but I realized probably a terrible idea, but I realized probably a terrible idea, but I realized more and more just all the grants and more and more just all the grants and more and more just all the grants and all the money that's out there that all the money that's out there that all the money that's out there that really if really if really if one, you're aware of it, but get some one, you're aware of it, but get some one, you're aware of it, but get some help applying. Like there's so much help applying. Like there's so much help applying. Like there's so much possibility, especially when you look at possibility, especially when you look at possibility, especially when you look at a downtown district. a downtown district. a downtown district. And one thing that I kind of realized in a one thing that I kind of realized in a one thing that I kind of realized in a lot of places that lot of places that lot of places that people, interesting people want to go people, interesting people want to go people, interesting people want to go is the aesthetic. is the aesthetic. is the aesthetic. » Mhm. » Mhm. » Mhm. » They love like we'll say Bentonville. I » They love like we'll say Bentonville. I » They love like we'll say Bentonville. I shouldn't even compare it. That's shouldn't even compare it. That's shouldn't even compare it. That's uncomparable. But uncomparable. But uncomparable. But we have a really great downtown we have a really great downtown we have a really great downtown aesthetic that feels like a little bit aesthetic that feels like a little bit aesthetic that feels like a little bit like a Hallmark movie. like a Hallmark movie. like a Hallmark movie. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And you get into these things where you » And you get into these things where you » And you get into these things where you have like design parameters and business have like design parameters and business have like design parameters and business owners can feel like you're telling me owners can feel like you're telling me owners can feel like you're telling me what to do, this, that. what to do, this, that. what to do, this, that. » And I was like, man, wouldn't it be » And I was like, man, wouldn't it be » And I was like, man, wouldn't it be cool? Amy's sister and brother have an cool? Amy's sister and brother have an cool? Amy's sister and brother have an HGTV show called Building Roots. They're HGTV show called Building Roots. They're HGTV show called Building Roots. They're designers. They kind of do like modern designers. They kind of do like modern designers. They kind of do like modern with um with um with um rustic. Like it's kind of a cool but rustic. Like it's kind of a cool but rustic. Like it's kind of a cool but they did this coffee shop and have been they did this coffee shop and have been they did this coffee shop and have been a big part of like Pagosa Springs kind a big part of like Pagosa Springs kind a big part of like Pagosa Springs kind of getting some new life on Colorado. of getting some new life on Colorado. of getting some new life on Colorado. I'm like, could you bring in like a duo I'm like, could you bring in like a duo I'm like, could you bring in like a duo like that like that like that who says, who says, who says, "All right, we're going to take the "All right, we're going to take the "All right, we're going to take the downtown district and we're going to downtown district and we're going to downtown district and we're going to flip it." And we're we have grant flip it." And we're we have grant flip it." And we're we have grant dollars available and this is what we dollars available and this is what we dollars available and this is what we would do from would do from would do from paint, awning, also we're going to work paint, awning, also we're going to work paint, awning, also we're going to work with a great local marketing company with a great local marketing company with a great local marketing company that if you want to refresh your logo that if you want to refresh your logo that if you want to refresh your logo and get better signage, we can do that. and get better signage, we can do that. and get better signage, we can do that. Like make these things available where it's make these things available where it's make these things available where it's not like this big construction project, not like this big construction project, not like this big construction project, » Right. » Right. » Right. » but it's getting some continuity, some » but it's getting some continuity, some » but it's getting some continuity, some like a vibe. like a vibe. like a vibe. » Awnings alone are tough and expensive. » Awnings alone are tough and expensive. » Awnings alone are tough and expensive. If you could just like blend some of If you could just like blend some of If you could just like blend some of that I mean they're so different. that I mean they're so different. that I mean they're so different. » But I would but I think that it sounds » But I would but I think that it sounds » But I would but I think that it sounds like there's like grants and things that like there's like grants and things that like there's like grants and things that are But if we can like But if we can like But if we can like package it in a fun, package it in a fun, package it in a fun, » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » different, interesting way. Why is that? » different, interesting way. Why is that? » different, interesting way. Why is that? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » For sure. » For sure. » For sure. » ideas. I'm like, why they do they go and » ideas. I'm like, why they do they go and » ideas. I'm like, why they do they go and flip all these other things? Why flip all these other things? Why flip all these other things? Why couldn't we flip a little downtown? couldn't we flip a little downtown? couldn't we flip a little downtown? » Right. » Right. » Right. » that'd be fun. » that'd be fun. » that'd be fun. » Oh, yeah. That's a good idea. » Oh, yeah. That's a good idea. » Oh, yeah. That's a good idea. » You know? And especially at a time where » You know? And especially at a time where » You know? And especially at a time where you have some great young business you have some great young business you have some great young business owners down there. owners down there. owners down there. » Right. » Right. » Right. » And it's like I am so grateful that you » And it's like I am so grateful that you » And it's like I am so grateful that you guys took on Charlie's and like I think guys took on Charlie's and like I think guys took on Charlie's and like I think about that building. One, a great about that building. One, a great about that building. One, a great business with a great pro like great business with a great pro like great business with a great pro like great service, all that. service, all that. service, all that. » If that building sat empty, I don't know » If that building sat empty, I don't know » If that building sat empty, I don't know who would be in there. who would be in there. who would be in there. » Oh, it's so big. It's 12,000 square » Oh, it's so big. It's 12,000 square » Oh, it's so big. It's 12,000 square feet. It's wide open. feet. It's wide open. feet. It's wide open. » like what Caitlyn's doing and then again » like what Caitlyn's doing and then again » like what Caitlyn's doing and then again like there's just like there's just like there's just » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Let's just keep that moving. » Let's just keep that moving. » Let's just keep that moving. » Yeah, let's keep doing more. » Yeah, let's keep doing more. » Yeah, let's keep doing more. » yeah. I do think it can be a destination » yeah. I do think it can be a destination » yeah. I do think it can be a destination if you get the right if you get the right if you get the right And for me it's always going to be like And for me it's always going to be like And for me it's always going to be like I'm always obviously going to be like we I'm always obviously going to be like we I'm always obviously going to be like we need some entertainment. need some entertainment. need some entertainment. » Yep. » Yep. » Yep. » I think performing arts center, my goal » I think performing arts center, my goal » I think performing arts center, my goal is eventually we get to a place, we do is eventually we get to a place, we do is eventually we get to a place, we do one or two, but like program out one a one or two, but like program out one a one or two, but like program out one a quarter. quarter. quarter. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And it's not anything, you know, you » And it's not anything, you know, you » And it's not anything, you know, you bring in bands and you get expensive bring in bands and you get expensive bring in bands and you get expensive cuz you pay for a cuz you pay for a cuz you pay for a » Yeah, travel. » Yeah, travel. » Yeah, travel. » all of that. But I'm like our what we're » all of that. But I'm like our what we're » all of that. But I'm like our what we're doing with Laura Bell, doing with Laura Bell, doing with Laura Bell, you know, we're going to have, you know, we're going to have, you know, we're going to have, you know, someone playing piano, like you know, someone playing piano, like you know, someone playing piano, like it's cabaret style. She's going to it's cabaret style. She's going to it's cabaret style. She's going to perform. It's going to be just as perform. It's going to be just as perform. It's going to be just as entertaining, but we don't have to bring entertaining, but we don't have to bring entertaining, but we don't have to bring in and like in and like in and like » You can diversify it, too. Like we all » You can diversify it, too. Like we all » You can diversify it, too. Like we all like stand-up comedy. Like that's a like stand-up comedy. Like that's a like stand-up comedy. Like that's a pretty cheap travel. pretty cheap travel. pretty cheap travel. » about like a true crime podcast taping. » about like a true crime podcast taping. » about like a true crime podcast taping. Like people Like people Like people » Let's get » Let's get » Let's get » Cuz I was so the whole reason » Cuz I was so the whole reason » Cuz I was so the whole reason » Shepard to shoot an episode in » Shepard to shoot an episode in » Shepard to shoot an episode in » That'd be awesome. » That'd be awesome. » That'd be awesome. But the whole reason I was so shocked But the whole reason I was so shocked But the whole reason I was so shocked and like if thought about it more was and like if thought about it more was and like if thought about it more was like we sold out that Amy thing and people we sold out that Amy thing and people we sold out that Amy thing and people love Amy and the Bobby Bones show, but love Amy and the Bobby Bones show, but love Amy and the Bobby Bones show, but we did nothing except we did nothing except we did nothing except » two sitting there talking. » two sitting there talking. » two sitting there talking. » I know. And we did it for like 3 hours » I know. And we did it for like 3 hours » I know. And we did it for like 3 hours and I genuinely believe and this isn't and I genuinely believe and this isn't and I genuinely believe and this isn't me just saying we were great, but like I me just saying we were great, but like I me just saying we were great, but like I was so concerned if people enjoyed it. was so concerned if people enjoyed it. was so concerned if people enjoyed it. And I think they enjoyed it more than I And I think they enjoyed it more than I And I think they enjoyed it more than I thought they did. And I was like we thought they did. And I was like we thought they did. And I was like we could do this. could do this. could do this. » Yep. » Yep. » Yep. » Like this is fun. And this could be » Like this is fun. And this could be » Like this is fun. And this could be something that we, you know, a little something that we, you know, a little something that we, you know, a little way to like contribute to the community way to like contribute to the community way to like contribute to the community and But anyways, I love there's But anyways, I love there's But anyways, I love there's so much cool stuff. so much cool stuff. so much cool stuff. » So » So » So uh I'll I'll end on this cuz we've got a uh I'll I'll end on this cuz we've got a uh I'll I'll end on this cuz we've got a luncheon for 4 minutes with Mr. Bella. luncheon for 4 minutes with Mr. Bella. luncheon for 4 minutes with Mr. Bella. » Already. Wow. » Already. Wow. » Already. Wow. » I told you. I mean, we got to be an hour » I told you. I mean, we got to be an hour » I told you. I mean, we got to be an hour and 40 already. and 40 already. and 40 already. » Uh hour 25. » Uh hour 25. » Uh hour 25. » Hour 25. Yeah, hour 25. » Hour 25. Yeah, hour 25. » Hour 25. Yeah, hour 25. » Oh, counting the cuz I looked we started » Oh, counting the cuz I looked we started » Oh, counting the cuz I looked we started at at at » Hour 20. You calm down, Sam. Hour 25. » Hour 20. You calm down, Sam. Hour 25. » Hour 20. You calm down, Sam. Hour 25. » We did start late. We started » We did start late. We started » We did start late. We started » ramble, but » ramble, but » ramble, but » I have another hour and a half of ideas » I have another hour and a half of ideas » I have another hour and a half of ideas and questions for you. and questions for you. and questions for you. Uh but Outrider um is it what you've Uh but Outrider um is it what you've Uh but Outrider um is it what you've called your consulting um you put a called your consulting um you put a called your consulting um you put a brand to who you are, right? Um and then brand to who you are, right? Um and then brand to who you are, right? Um and then you've got resources, crazy amount of you've got resources, crazy amount of you've got resources, crazy amount of connections. Like if someone needs help connections. Like if someone needs help connections. Like if someone needs help with something, um, it's not just you, with something, um, it's not just you, with something, um, it's not just you, you've got access to so many people. you've got access to so many people. you've got access to so many people. » So, what I've done with that is » So, what I've done with that is » So, what I've done with that is Outrider, Outrider, Outrider, um, um, um, is really something where I, you know, is really something where I, you know, is really something where I, you know, initially I was like consulting, I don't initially I was like consulting, I don't initially I was like consulting, I don't feel like I'm qualified for that, and feel like I'm qualified for that, and feel like I'm qualified for that, and then I'm kind of like then I'm kind of like then I'm kind of like undercutting myself. And it's mostly I undercutting myself. And it's mostly I undercutting myself. And it's mostly I have a really valuable network. But it, have a really valuable network. But it, have a really valuable network. But it, it's been interesting because I didn't it's been interesting because I didn't it's been interesting because I didn't want initially, like, I don't have a want initially, like, I don't have a want initially, like, I don't have a website, I don't have, it's all word of website, I don't have, it's all word of website, I don't have, it's all word of mouth, and it's all through that mouth, and it's all through that mouth, and it's all through that network. It's mostly like projects network. It's mostly like projects network. It's mostly like projects around business development or around business development or around business development or marketing. And then what I do is marketing. And then what I do is marketing. And then what I do is in that network, I've worked with some in that network, I've worked with some in that network, I've worked with some really talented videographers and really talented videographers and really talented videographers and photographers and photographers and photographers and tech folks, and it's like, depending on tech folks, and it's like, depending on tech folks, and it's like, depending on the project, I'll just 1099. I kind of the project, I'll just 1099. I kind of the project, I'll just 1099. I kind of have a preferred network of guys that have a preferred network of guys that have a preferred network of guys that I've worked with on things. I've worked with on things. I've worked with on things. 1099 them, we'll split up the project, 1099 them, we'll split up the project, 1099 them, we'll split up the project, whatever that is, and then in some whatever that is, and then in some whatever that is, and then in some situations, like, situations, like, situations, like, you know, I'm on retainer with a handful you know, I'm on retainer with a handful you know, I'm on retainer with a handful of artists and brands, where, and that's of artists and brands, where, and that's of artists and brands, where, and that's what I really like is finding the sweet what I really like is finding the sweet what I really like is finding the sweet spot where it's like it's affordable, spot where it's like it's affordable, spot where it's like it's affordable, but it's good for me, but it's good for me, but it's good for me, and I can kind of just bake you into my and I can kind of just bake you into my and I can kind of just bake you into my week and month, week and month, week and month, and I'm available. Cuz initially I was and I'm available. Cuz initially I was and I'm available. Cuz initially I was like, am I going to drive enough value? like, am I going to drive enough value? like, am I going to drive enough value? » Right. » Right. » Right. » And I think I drive more being that » And I think I drive more being that » And I think I drive more being that person who person who person who like a fractional like a fractional like a fractional » something. » something. » something. » Yeah, but it's even less than that. It's » Yeah, but it's even less than that. It's » Yeah, but it's even less than that. It's like the one foot in one foot out, cuz like the one foot in one foot out, cuz like the one foot in one foot out, cuz you really have a different perspective you really have a different perspective you really have a different perspective than the people that are in the than the people that are in the than the people that are in the day-to-day of it all. day-to-day of it all. day-to-day of it all. And I think depending on the needs, And I think depending on the needs, And I think depending on the needs, everyone has different needs, that's why everyone has different needs, that's why everyone has different needs, that's why it's kind of it's kind of it's kind of at times hard to at times hard to at times hard to And a lot of it, And a lot of it, And a lot of it, yeah. yeah. yeah. I mean, it's just crazy how it's kind of I mean, it's just crazy how it's kind of I mean, it's just crazy how it's kind of unpacked. And I don't know where it will unpacked. And I don't know where it will unpacked. And I don't know where it will go. go. go. I don't know I don't know I don't know I think that I'll always I think that I'll always I think that I'll always because of my curiosity would prefer to because of my curiosity would prefer to because of my curiosity would prefer to work with a variety of brands, entities, work with a variety of brands, entities, work with a variety of brands, entities, artists, cuz it makes it really fun and artists, cuz it makes it really fun and artists, cuz it makes it really fun and interesting and no day is alike. interesting and no day is alike. interesting and no day is alike. Um Um Um but I think I'll try to keep that but I think I'll try to keep that but I think I'll try to keep that small » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » and just word of mouth. » and just word of mouth. » and just word of mouth. And then there's a few things that I And then there's a few things that I And then there's a few things that I still want to build. But I was a little still want to build. But I was a little still want to build. But I was a little like after the one country ride um like after the one country ride um like after the one country ride um So yeah, I want to do some of this and So yeah, I want to do some of this and So yeah, I want to do some of this and like catch my breath a little bit. like catch my breath a little bit. like catch my breath a little bit. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Cuz I was burned out. It was my first » Cuz I was burned out. It was my first » Cuz I was burned out. It was my first time one in what really was a startup time one in what really was a startup time one in what really was a startup two leading a team, growing a team two leading a team, growing a team two leading a team, growing a team quickly, like all of that. And there's a quickly, like all of that. And there's a quickly, like all of that. And there's a lot of things I did well and a lot of lot of things I did well and a lot of lot of things I did well and a lot of things I didn't do well and a lot of things I didn't do well and a lot of things I didn't do well and a lot of that I've learned on that I've learned on that I've learned on you know, the lighter end that I'm like, you know, the lighter end that I'm like, you know, the lighter end that I'm like, all right. all right. all right. » Yeah, you were like, I'm just going to » Yeah, you were like, I'm just going to » Yeah, you were like, I'm just going to take a breather not do much and then take a breather not do much and then take a breather not do much and then » [clears throat] » [clears throat] » [clears throat] » then um finalist for CMAs » then um finalist for CMAs » then um finalist for CMAs CM potential. Like, oh yeah, I'll go for CM potential. Like, oh yeah, I'll go for CM potential. Like, oh yeah, I'll go for this, too. But now I'm taking a this, too. But now I'm taking a this, too. But now I'm taking a breather. breather. breather. » I think yeah. » I think yeah. » I think yeah. » » » » Shut up, Samuel. » Shut up, Samuel. » Shut up, Samuel. » I think like that's again the fun thing » I think like that's again the fun thing » I think like that's again the fun thing is is is conversations. conversations. conversations. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » I also was about to I'll give you I » I also was about to I'll give you I » I also was about to I'll give you I think not people don't know this, but think not people don't know this, but think not people don't know this, but we're not going to get into this. we're not going to get into this. we're not going to get into this. » » » » I was during this time » I was during this time » I was during this time I was talking to producers about being I was talking to producers about being I was talking to producers about being on The Bachelorette. I'm still single. on The Bachelorette. I'm still single. on The Bachelorette. I'm still single. » » » » And » And » And then I was moved to having conversations then I was moved to having conversations then I was moved to having conversations about being The Bachelor. about being The Bachelor. about being The Bachelor. » Have we talked about this? » Have we talked about this? » Have we talked about this? » But that was one of those things that » But that was one of those things that » But that was one of those things that was kind of like was kind of like was kind of like » » » » and I'm like » and I'm like » and I'm like everyone's like, what are you? And I'm everyone's like, what are you? And I'm everyone's like, what are you? And I'm like, I don't know. It just kind of like, I don't know. It just kind of like, I don't know. It just kind of » That's kind of how I wanted to start the » That's kind of how I wanted to start the » That's kind of how I wanted to start the podcast, but I didn't want to put you in podcast, but I didn't want to put you in podcast, but I didn't want to put you in that spot cuz I know a lot of it can't that spot cuz I know a lot of it can't that spot cuz I know a lot of it can't be talked about, but be talked about, but be talked about, but » I » I » I um um um » How does Ranch Kid maybe become the CEO » How does Ranch Kid maybe become the CEO » How does Ranch Kid maybe become the CEO of CMAs? How does Ranch Kid maybe of CMAs? How does Ranch Kid maybe of CMAs? How does Ranch Kid maybe » I don't know how » I don't know how » I don't know how » bachelor? How does Ranch » bachelor? How does Ranch » bachelor? How does Ranch » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » There's a lot of ways to start. » There's a lot of ways to start. » There's a lot of ways to start. » Um » Um » Um » It's just I think it's that network that » It's just I think it's that network that » It's just I think it's that network that I really realized like everyone I really realized like everyone I really realized like everyone » And you're available » And you're available » And you're available » imposter syndrome thing is so real. Like » imposter syndrome thing is so real. Like » imposter syndrome thing is so real. Like I again just talking about what we got I again just talking about what we got I again just talking about what we got to do with Out Rider and not feeling to do with Out Rider and not feeling to do with Out Rider and not feeling qualified to like qualified to like qualified to like But I really look back and if so much of But I really look back and if so much of But I really look back and if so much of how I define intelligence and intellect how I define intelligence and intellect how I define intelligence and intellect is based on observation. is based on observation. is based on observation. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » I have been able to observe first hand a » I have been able to observe first hand a » I have been able to observe first hand a lot of people and things and situations lot of people and things and situations lot of people and things and situations in a lot of different in a lot of different in a lot of different » Which I think builds a lot of trust and » Which I think builds a lot of trust and » Which I think builds a lot of trust and » Well, and I but I never gave myself even » Well, and I but I never gave myself even » Well, and I but I never gave myself even credit for that cuz it was always like, credit for that cuz it was always like, credit for that cuz it was always like, well, I'm not trained in this or trained well, I'm not trained in this or trained well, I'm not trained in this or trained in that, but I'm like, we're all in that, but I'm like, we're all in that, but I'm like, we're all figuring » We're all making it up as we go. » We're all making it up as we go. » We're all making it up as we go. » and that's what I've realized with some » and that's what I've realized with some » and that's what I've realized with some of the most successful is everyone's got of the most successful is everyone's got of the most successful is everyone's got a little bit of that. And I think if you a little bit of that. And I think if you a little bit of that. And I think if you don't have some of that, there's don't have some of that, there's don't have some of that, there's probably something wrong with you. probably something wrong with you. probably something wrong with you. But I I think it's like you But I I think it's like you But I I think it's like you get that with get that with get that with a network of people. You know, Chase a network of people. You know, Chase a network of people. You know, Chase Rice is a buddy of mine and someone that Rice is a buddy of mine and someone that Rice is a buddy of mine and someone that I've worked with and my rule to him is I've worked with and my rule to him is I've worked with and my rule to him is always he just went and played Stagecoach for he just went and played Stagecoach for he just went and played Stagecoach for the first time, which is Coachella for the first time, which is Coachella for the first time, which is Coachella for country. It's a massive deal, cultural country. It's a massive deal, cultural country. It's a massive deal, cultural event. You have people like Patrick event. You have people like Patrick event. You have people like Patrick Mahomes and like the Euphoria cast and Mahomes and like the Euphoria cast and Mahomes and like the Euphoria cast and like a lot of it's a hub for culture. like a lot of it's a hub for culture. like a lot of it's a hub for culture. And he's kind of overthinking. I don't And he's kind of overthinking. I don't And he's kind of overthinking. I don't think he'll mind me sharing this, but think he'll mind me sharing this, but think he'll mind me sharing this, but like he'll at times get in his head on like he'll at times get in his head on like he'll at times get in his head on like you know, being around everyone and you know, being around everyone and you know, being around everyone and doing and I'm like just go make friends. doing and I'm like just go make friends. doing and I'm like just go make friends. The only rule is The only rule is The only rule is there's no objective that you have. there's no objective that you have. there's no objective that you have. We'll sort that out on the back end if We'll sort that out on the back end if We'll sort that out on the back end if we need to. we need to. we need to. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » The only thing you need to do is go make » The only thing you need to do is go make » The only thing you need to do is go make friends. Like just let them get to know friends. Like just let them get to know friends. Like just let them get to know you that and it's like if you don't vibe you that and it's like if you don't vibe you that and it's like if you don't vibe with someone, move on. Like that's how with someone, move on. Like that's how with someone, move on. Like that's how life But just make friends and I feel life But just make friends and I feel life But just make friends and I feel like that's how I kind of approach like that's how I kind of approach like that's how I kind of approach everything. It's like everything. It's like everything. It's like you know, you want to be friends. And you know, you want to be friends. And you know, you want to be friends. And it's like and then the friends ask you, it's like and then the friends ask you, it's like and then the friends ask you, "Hey, you should apply for this." Or "Hey, you should apply for this." Or "Hey, you should apply for this." Or » Hey, you want to be on the Bachelor? » Hey, you want to be on the Bachelor? » Hey, you want to be on the Bachelor? » » » » Which I would have been so pissed if I » Which I would have been so pissed if I » Which I would have been so pissed if I would have been on the Bachelorette cuz would have been on the Bachelorette cuz would have been on the Bachelorette cuz it would have been the season that just it would have been the season that just it would have been the season that just got canceled cuz the lady was crazy. got canceled cuz the lady was crazy. got canceled cuz the lady was crazy. » Oh, that's I » Oh, that's I » Oh, that's I That would have been a bummer. Good That would have been a bummer. Good That would have been a bummer. Good thing. Chase, you're awesome. We got to thing. Chase, you're awesome. We got to thing. Chase, you're awesome. We got to get to a lunch commitment. get to a lunch commitment. get to a lunch commitment. » Yep. » Yep. » Yep. » We're late. » We're late. » We're late. » We're late. Are we shaking hands? » We're late. Are we shaking hands? » We're late. Are we shaking hands? » for being on. » for being on. » for being on. » Shout out Tyler. Thank you. » Shout out Tyler. Thank you. » Shout out Tyler. Thank you. » Tyler. » Tyler. » Tyler. » Yeah. ---