How He Scaled a Refinery Business to 160 Employees (And Sold It): The John Banks Story | Ep 73

BTU value on coal is um like BTU value on coal is um like 8 to 10,000 BTU per pound. 8 to 10,000 BTU per pound. 8 to 10,000 BTU per pound. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » Coke is could be 15 or 16,000 BTU pound. » Coke is could be 15 or 16,000 BTU pound. » Coke is could be 15 or 16,000 BTU pound. » So it burns really hot and um you have » So it burns really hot and um you have » So it burns really hot and um you have to have the right metallergy to burn it to have the right metallergy to burn it to have the right metallergy to burn it » or you just melt. Great. You melt the » or you just melt. Great. You melt the » or you just melt. Great. You melt the » Yeah. You know, people would ask me, » Yeah. You know, people would ask me, » Yeah. You know, people would ask me, "Would you get me some coke? I'd like to "Would you get me some coke? I'd like to "Would you get me some coke? I'd like to put some in my fiberglass." I said, put some in my fiberglass." I said, put some in my fiberglass." I said, "It's really hot. You got to "It's really hot. You got to "It's really hot. You got to be careful." And they'd come back and be careful." And they'd come back and be careful." And they'd come back and say, "You know, that stuff melted my say, "You know, that stuff melted my say, "You know, that stuff melted my grill in my fireplace." grill in my fireplace." grill in my fireplace." » The Killer Growth podcast starts now. » What's up guys? Sam McVey here with the » What's up guys? Sam McVey here with the Killer Growth podcast and today I have Killer Growth podcast and today I have Killer Growth podcast and today I have John Banks, native El Dredo, longtime John Banks, native El Dredo, longtime John Banks, native El Dredo, longtime entrepreneur, entrepreneur, entrepreneur, um longtime um longtime um longtime giver, give backer of El Dredo. giver, give backer of El Dredo. giver, give backer of El Dredo. Um, I to be honest, there's a lot of Um, I to be honest, there's a lot of Um, I to be honest, there's a lot of things I think I'm going to learn today things I think I'm going to learn today things I think I'm going to learn today that I don't know and I'm really excited that I don't know and I'm really excited that I don't know and I'm really excited about that. Uh, as far as your story and about that. Uh, as far as your story and about that. Uh, as far as your story and literally even the name of your first literally even the name of your first literally even the name of your first company that was in the refinery, I was company that was in the refinery, I was company that was in the refinery, I was like, I don't even know the name of that like, I don't even know the name of that like, I don't even know the name of that company. Um, but background in uh company. Um, but background in uh company. Um, but background in uh construction slash uh refinery contracts construction slash uh refinery contracts construction slash uh refinery contracts is about as much as I know. I know about is about as much as I know. I know about is about as much as I know. I know about your real estate. your real estate. your real estate. » Uh, I know about uh couple other little » Uh, I know about uh couple other little » Uh, I know about uh couple other little things. Um, but here's where I would things. Um, but here's where I would things. Um, but here's where I would like to start. like to start. like to start. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » Can we start? What was John Banks » Can we start? What was John Banks » Can we start? What was John Banks like in high school? like in high school? like in high school? » Um, kind of carefree and not very » Um, kind of carefree and not very » Um, kind of carefree and not very serious about school or education. Uh, serious about school or education. Uh, serious about school or education. Uh, more interested in athletics and having more interested in athletics and having more interested in athletics and having fun. And fun. And fun. And it was a great time as I hope most it was a great time as I hope most it was a great time as I hope most people can remember back and think about people can remember back and think about people can remember back and think about their high school days as being a great their high school days as being a great their high school days as being a great time. Um to just be frivolous and having time. Um to just be frivolous and having time. Um to just be frivolous and having a good time and uh hanging out with your a good time and uh hanging out with your a good time and uh hanging out with your friends and feeling like you own the friends and feeling like you own the friends and feeling like you own the town and you knew everybody and it was town and you knew everybody and it was town and you knew everybody and it was just a great time. It was a great time just a great time. It was a great time just a great time. It was a great time in Elder. What what decade were you in in Elder. What what decade were you in in Elder. What what decade were you in high school? high school? high school? » Uh graduated in 63. So » Uh graduated in 63. So » Uh graduated in 63. So » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » So 59 to 63 would be the junior high. » So 59 to 63 would be the junior high. » So 59 to 63 would be the junior high. » Junior high 7 8 9 then we went uh 10 11 » Junior high 7 8 9 then we went uh 10 11 » Junior high 7 8 9 then we went uh 10 11 12. 12. 12. » That's crazy. So it all moved back a » That's crazy. So it all moved back a » That's crazy. So it all moved back a year. Interesting. So that was the high year. Interesting. So that was the high year. Interesting. So that was the high school, the performing arts center and school, the performing arts center and school, the performing arts center and that was 10 11th 12. that was 10 11th 12. that was 10 11th 12. Um, so where was the junior high, I Um, so where was the junior high, I Um, so where was the junior high, I guess, or middle school? guess, or middle school? guess, or middle school? » The parking lot for the hospital. » The parking lot for the hospital. » The parking lot for the hospital. » Oh, really? Okay. I didn't know that. » Oh, really? Okay. I didn't know that. » Oh, really? Okay. I didn't know that. » Yeah. There was an old building » Yeah. There was an old building » Yeah. There was an old building there that was way overcrowded. They um there that was way overcrowded. They um there that was way overcrowded. They um the girls couldn't wear the girls couldn't wear the girls couldn't wear uh cans to school because there uh cans to school because there uh cans to school because there wasn't enough room in the halls and on wasn't enough room in the halls and on wasn't enough room in the halls and on the stairways because their dresses, you the stairways because their dresses, you the stairways because their dresses, you know, pushed their dresses out. know, pushed their dresses out. know, pushed their dresses out. » Okay. So, that's what I was about to » Okay. So, that's what I was about to » Okay. So, that's what I was about to ask. So, the can is like the frame ask. So, the can is like the frame ask. So, the can is like the frame wires. wires. wires. » Yeah. Oh, yeah. You couldn't The girls » Yeah. Oh, yeah. You couldn't The girls » Yeah. Oh, yeah. You couldn't The girls could not wear those to school. could not wear those to school. could not wear those to school. » Girls wore that young. » Girls wore that young. » Girls wore that young. » Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Um, and » Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Um, and » Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Um, and Fridays were that was the only day you Fridays were that was the only day you Fridays were that was the only day you could wear jeans. The girls, could wear jeans. The girls, could wear jeans. The girls, » okay, » okay, » okay, » could wear slacks. The rest of the time » could wear slacks. The rest of the time » could wear slacks. The rest of the time you had to have on a dress. you had to have on a dress. you had to have on a dress. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » Um, » Um, » Um, » was their uniform for the boys? » was their uniform for the boys? » was their uniform for the boys? » No. At all? » No. At all? » No. At all? » No. No. Um, but uh they certainly didn't » No. No. Um, but uh they certainly didn't » No. No. Um, but uh they certainly didn't wear what they wear to school now. wear what they wear to school now. wear what they wear to school now. You know, You know, You know, » they weren't wearing jammy pants to » they weren't wearing jammy pants to » they weren't wearing jammy pants to school. school. school. » No. Uh, and shorts and like that, but » No. Uh, and shorts and like that, but » No. Uh, and shorts and like that, but there was two bells. they uh because if there was two bells. they uh because if there was two bells. they uh because if they just did one bell that put a strain they just did one bell that put a strain they just did one bell that put a strain on the stairways and stuff. So they kind on the stairways and stuff. So they kind on the stairways and stuff. So they kind of thought the first bell would kind of of thought the first bell would kind of of thought the first bell would kind of get some people moving and get them to get some people moving and get them to get some people moving and get them to the classroom and the second bell then the classroom and the second bell then the classroom and the second bell then there was uh you know a little more room there was uh you know a little more room there was uh you know a little more room for everybody and uh it was very for everybody and uh it was very for everybody and uh it was very crowded. It was fun. Um but um yeah and crowded. It was fun. Um but um yeah and crowded. It was fun. Um but um yeah and it was very old. It was a very old it was very old. It was a very old it was very old. It was a very old school. school. school. » Interesting. » Interesting. » Interesting. » Um and um I remember um we used to do » Um and um I remember um we used to do » Um and um I remember um we used to do demo work and uh they talked about how demo work and uh they talked about how demo work and uh they talked about how terrible that school was. Um in bad terrible that school was. Um in bad terrible that school was. Um in bad shape and was, you know, wasn't very shape and was, you know, wasn't very shape and was, you know, wasn't very safe and blah, you know. And safe and blah, you know. And safe and blah, you know. And um um um I missed getting the bid to tear that I missed getting the bid to tear that I missed getting the bid to tear that building down for by like 50 bucks or building down for by like 50 bucks or building down for by like 50 bucks or something. Oh my gosh. something. Oh my gosh. something. Oh my gosh. » Yeah. And um when I was in business, of » Yeah. And um when I was in business, of » Yeah. And um when I was in business, of course, and uh I talked to the guy that course, and uh I talked to the guy that course, and uh I talked to the guy that tore it down. He said, "We had a tore it down. He said, "We had a tore it down. He said, "We had a terrible time tearing that building terrible time tearing that building terrible time tearing that building down. It was down. It was down. It was » It was really good." » It was really good." » It was really good." » Yeah. It was really a stout building. » Yeah. It was really a stout building. » Yeah. It was really a stout building. And there was and probably still is part And there was and probably still is part And there was and probably still is partially, there was a tunnel from partially, there was a tunnel from partially, there was a tunnel from underground from the junior high underground from the junior high underground from the junior high building to the high school. Okay. building to the high school. Okay. building to the high school. Okay. » Which housed » Which housed » Which housed um the heating pipes and stuff there um the heating pipes and stuff there um the heating pipes and stuff there somewhere rather. somewhere rather. somewhere rather. » So like it went under the road. » So like it went under the road. » So like it went under the road. » It went under the road. » It went under the road. » It went under the road. » What? » What? » What? » It's still there. » It's still there. » It's still there. » Um » Um » Um » let's go find it, Norris. » let's go find it, Norris. » let's go find it, Norris. » Yeah. Um pretty cool. » Yeah. Um pretty cool. » Yeah. Um pretty cool. » So you from the current the old high » So you from the current the old high » So you from the current the old high school middle school, you can still find school middle school, you can still find school middle school, you can still find access to that? access to that? access to that? » I I don't Maybe you can if it ran to » I I don't Maybe you can if it ran to » I I don't Maybe you can if it ran to that building. I'm sure. that building. I'm sure. that building. I'm sure. » I would say part of it still there, » I would say part of it still there, » I would say part of it still there, » right? You know. » right? You know. » right? You know. » Yeah, they found it when they were doing » Yeah, they found it when they were doing » Yeah, they found it when they were doing the pack renovation again. the pack renovation again. the pack renovation again. » Oh, really? So, they found it when they » Oh, really? So, they found it when they » Oh, really? So, they found it when they renovated the building. Okay. renovated the building. Okay. renovated the building. Okay. » Wow. That's crazy. So, did you guys ever » Wow. That's crazy. So, did you guys ever » Wow. That's crazy. So, did you guys ever see down there? see down there? see down there? » I was never down there. » I was never down there. » I was never down there. Of course, it was a steam heat, you Of course, it was a steam heat, you Of course, it was a steam heat, you know, they had a boiler and know, they had a boiler and know, they had a boiler and » and they had the registers, you know, it » and they had the registers, you know, it » and they had the registers, you know, it was all steam heat, but was all steam heat, but was all steam heat, but » it was a fun time. Yeah, » it was a fun time. Yeah, » it was a fun time. Yeah, » the city was different, I think, and » the city was different, I think, and » the city was different, I think, and we had um a downtown and we had a lot of we had um a downtown and we had a lot of we had um a downtown and we had a lot of stores and uh growing up in Elder, uh I stores and uh growing up in Elder, uh I stores and uh growing up in Elder, uh I can remember um one of the things that can remember um one of the things that can remember um one of the things that my family did that I really didn't my family did that I really didn't my family did that I really didn't enjoy, but my parents did, and I was enjoy, but my parents did, and I was enjoy, but my parents did, and I was young enough that I had no input for young enough that I had no input for young enough that I had no input for this, but my uh mom and dad would go this, but my uh mom and dad would go this, but my uh mom and dad would go park the car down on Main Street, park the car down on Main Street, park the car down on Main Street, you know, and watch the people go by, you know, and watch the people go by, you know, and watch the people go by, just people watching. And that's they just people watching. And that's they just people watching. And that's they did that on Saturday night when the did that on Saturday night when the did that on Saturday night when the stores were open sometimes. Very boring stores were open sometimes. Very boring stores were open sometimes. Very boring for a five or six year old for a five or six year old for a five or six year old boy, but uh it was um it was interesting boy, but uh it was um it was interesting boy, but uh it was um it was interesting to see who was out, you know. Yeah. And to see who was out, you know. Yeah. And to see who was out, you know. Yeah. And u so a lot of stores. Um u so a lot of stores. Um u so a lot of stores. Um » yeah, this day and age, someone does » yeah, this day and age, someone does » yeah, this day and age, someone does that too often, they're going to that too often, they're going to that too often, they're going to probably have a cop knock on the door. probably have a cop knock on the door. probably have a cop knock on the door. someone called. You were kind of someone called. You were kind of someone called. You were kind of creeping on some people. creeping on some people. creeping on some people. » Yeah. Yeah. So, [snorts] but » Yeah. Yeah. So, [snorts] but » Yeah. Yeah. So, [snorts] but um um um » Yeah, that's crazy. So, that so um so » Yeah, that's crazy. So, that so um so » Yeah, that's crazy. So, that so um so they leveled that building then built they leveled that building then built they leveled that building then built the new high school and then the new high school and then the new high school and then the junior high turned into the middle junior high turned into the middle junior high turned into the middle school building. Correct. school building. Correct. school building. Correct. » Correct. Yeah. » Correct. Yeah. » Correct. Yeah. » And then that's when I What year do you » And then that's when I What year do you » And then that's when I What year do you remember when that happened? the decade remember when that happened? the decade remember when that happened? the decade or or or » Stacy, my oldest daughter, was the first » Stacy, my oldest daughter, was the first » Stacy, my oldest daughter, was the first » Oh, okay. » Oh, okay. » Oh, okay. » sixth grade class to be in in that » sixth grade class to be in in that » sixth grade class to be in in that building. building. building. » There you go. » There you go. » There you go. » As a sixth grader. » As a sixth grader. » As a sixth grader. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » Uh, and » Uh, and » Uh, and » so she would have been 11, 12. Yeah. » so she would have been 11, 12. Yeah. » so she would have been 11, 12. Yeah. » Um, » Um, » Um, » see, my phone's going off. » see, my phone's going off. » see, my phone's going off. » She'll be um in October she'll be 56. » She'll be um in October she'll be 56. » She'll be um in October she'll be 56. So, we could back into that. There you So, we could back into that. There you So, we could back into that. There you go. Yeah. 40 years ago. Dang. go. Yeah. 40 years ago. Dang. go. Yeah. 40 years ago. Dang. » 40 years. Three. Yeah. Wow. That's » 40 years. Three. Yeah. Wow. That's » 40 years. Three. Yeah. Wow. That's crazy. crazy. crazy. » Early 80s. » Early 80s. » Early 80s. » Early 80s. » Early 80s. » Early 80s. » Yeah. That's crazy. » Yeah. That's crazy. » Yeah. That's crazy. » Uh, so everybody had reservations about » Uh, so everybody had reservations about » Uh, so everybody had reservations about that. They didn't think sixth graders that. They didn't think sixth graders that. They didn't think sixth graders were ready to be were ready to be were ready to be » in a different building, » in a different building, » in a different building, » in a different environment and have that » in a different environment and have that » in a different environment and have that much freedom, you know, much freedom, you know, much freedom, you know, » because I think circle still starts at » because I think circle still starts at » because I think circle still starts at seventh grade. seventh grade. seventh grade. » Oh, I didn't know that. » Oh, I didn't know that. » Oh, I didn't know that. » Yeah, circle. I think junior high » Yeah, circle. I think junior high » Yeah, circle. I think junior high doesn't start till 7th. They don't go to doesn't start till 7th. They don't go to doesn't start till 7th. They don't go to a different building a different building a different building » till 7th and 8th and they're all in » till 7th and 8th and they're all in » till 7th and 8th and they're all in the same building the same building the same building » uh K through 6 uh currently cuz my » uh K through 6 uh currently cuz my » uh K through 6 uh currently cuz my nephew's going into seventh grade and nephew's going into seventh grade and nephew's going into seventh grade and he's going to the [clears throat] the he's going to the [clears throat] the he's going to the [clears throat] the middle school now. It's a big deal. middle school now. It's a big deal. middle school now. It's a big deal. » But yeah, I think some people still have » But yeah, I think some people still have » But yeah, I think some people still have that. Uh but I don't feel like I hear that. Uh but I don't feel like I hear that. Uh but I don't feel like I hear about that very often. about that very often. about that very often. » And and their middle school is just I » And and their middle school is just I » And and their middle school is just I mean when it was new and built it was mean when it was new and built it was mean when it was new and built it was too small. too small. too small. » Yeah. you know, and they just keep » Yeah. you know, and they just keep » Yeah. you know, and they just keep expanding and um their enrollment keeps expanding and um their enrollment keeps expanding and um their enrollment keeps growing and uh they've done well, I growing and uh they've done well, I growing and uh they've done well, I think. Um think. Um think. Um » so anyway, » so anyway, » so anyway, » um » um » um » what sports did you play? Uh » what sports did you play? Uh » what sports did you play? Uh » football. » football. » football. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » Basketball and track. » Basketball and track. » Basketball and track. » And how tall are you? » And how tall are you? » And how tall are you? » 61. » 61. » 61. » 61. » 61. » 61. » Mhm. » Mhm. » Mhm. » What was your [clears throat] What was » What was your [clears throat] What was » What was your [clears throat] What was your sport? What were you the best at? your sport? What were you the best at? your sport? What were you the best at? » Uh track probably. I'd say was probably » Uh track probably. I'd say was probably » Uh track probably. I'd say was probably my best sport. I I love football and uh my best sport. I I love football and uh my best sport. I I love football and uh basketball when I was a senior. Um I basketball when I was a senior. Um I basketball when I was a senior. Um I broke my wrist um running into the wall broke my wrist um running into the wall broke my wrist um running into the wall and um behind you know the goal and then and um behind you know the goal and then and um behind you know the goal and then the wall too close. Yeah. Yeah. Those the wall too close. Yeah. Yeah. Those the wall too close. Yeah. Yeah. Those gyms. gyms. gyms. » So I broke my wrist and I didn't get to » So I broke my wrist and I didn't get to » So I broke my wrist and I didn't get to play and I didn't get to pull vault when play and I didn't get to pull vault when play and I didn't get to pull vault when I was a senior. So I was a senior. So I was a senior. So » um » um » um » what was that your favorite event pole » what was that your favorite event pole » what was that your favorite event pole vaulting? Well, probably vaulting? Well, probably vaulting? Well, probably » in track » in track » in track » at that time. Yeah. » at that time. Yeah. » at that time. Yeah. » Yeah. Yeah. I always thought that'd be » Yeah. Yeah. I always thought that'd be » Yeah. Yeah. I always thought that'd be fun. I never did that. fun. I never did that. fun. I never did that. » Yeah, it was. Yeah, » Yeah, it was. Yeah, » Yeah, it was. Yeah, » it was fun. But » it was fun. But » it was fun. But » I'm sure that's changed a lot, too. Ping » I'm sure that's changed a lot, too. Ping » I'm sure that's changed a lot, too. Ping since » we we palding with a steel pole. » we we palding with a steel pole. » we we palding with a steel pole. » Oh gosh. » Oh gosh. » Oh gosh. » And we've And » And we've And » And we've And » was there any flex like at all? Oh my » was there any flex like at all? Oh my » was there any flex like at all? Oh my god. god. god. » And and a sand pit. Oh, » And and a sand pit. Oh, » And and a sand pit. Oh, » you know, think about 12 foot was as » you know, think about 12 foot was as » you know, think about 12 foot was as high as I ever paulted as a junior and high as I ever paulted as a junior and high as I ever paulted as a junior and » um » um » um » seems pretty high with the steel » seems pretty high with the steel » seems pretty high with the steel » and then you come down and there's no » and then you come down and there's no » and then you come down and there's no soft. You got to land on your feet just soft. You got to land on your feet just soft. You got to land on your feet just about » Oh, interesting. Gosh. » Oh, interesting. Gosh. » Oh, interesting. Gosh. » Because it's just sand. Yeah. » Because it's just sand. Yeah. » Because it's just sand. Yeah. » You know, um » You know, um » You know, um » and now what are they doing in high » and now what are they doing in high » and now what are they doing in high school? school? school? » Oh, they how many feet all that? Oh, I » Oh, they how many feet all that? Oh, I » Oh, they how many feet all that? Oh, I don't know. Um 13 14 maybe 15 feet. I don't know. Um 13 14 maybe 15 feet. I don't know. Um 13 14 maybe 15 feet. I don't know. Unbelievable. Yeah. don't know. Unbelievable. Yeah. don't know. Unbelievable. Yeah. » Um but the poles, those kind of » Um but the poles, those kind of » Um but the poles, those kind of fiberglass poles were just coming in to fiberglass poles were just coming in to fiberglass poles were just coming in to use. Um use. Um use. Um » Gotcha. Kind of » Gotcha. Kind of » Gotcha. Kind of » at the time that I was a senior. » at the time that I was a senior. » at the time that I was a senior. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Just started. » Just started. » Just started. » Um but um [clears throat] » Um but um [clears throat] » Um but um [clears throat] » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » So you played basketball. This is » So you played basketball. This is » So you played basketball. This is completely random, but there was no completely random, but there was no completely random, but there was no three-point line three-point line three-point line » when you played basketball. No. Right. » when you played basketball. No. Right. » when you played basketball. No. Right. No. No. No. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. because I think it came in I don't » Yeah. because I think it came in I don't » Yeah. because I think it came in I don't think » maybe the next year after I was a senior » maybe the next year after I was a senior » maybe the next year after I was a senior it did. Okay. I think it did. Okay. I think it did. Okay. I think » it was pretty close to » it was pretty close to » it was pretty close to » I played at Butler too. » I played at Butler too. » I played at Butler too. » Um um and um I remember there was a » Um um and um I remember there was a » Um um and um I remember there was a three-point line then. three-point line then. three-point line then. » Okay. Oh, you went and played basketball » Okay. Oh, you went and played basketball » Okay. Oh, you went and played basketball Butler. Butler. Butler. » Is that why? Okay. Very cool. I didn't » Is that why? Okay. Very cool. I didn't » Is that why? Okay. Very cool. I didn't know that. know that. know that. » And ran track at Butler. Walked to » And ran track at Butler. Walked to » And ran track at Butler. Walked to Butler for a year. Um, Butler for a year. Um, Butler for a year. Um, so anyway, um, so anyway, um, so anyway, um, » and then what did you do after that » and then what did you do after that » and then what did you do after that after the year of Butler? after the year of Butler? after the year of Butler? » Uh, I went to K State. Um, and, um, » Uh, I went to K State. Um, and, um, » Uh, I went to K State. Um, and, um, tried to run track at K State. I was in tried to run track at K State. I was in tried to run track at K State. I was in a fraternity and, um, college sports are a fraternity and, um, college sports are a fraternity and, um, college sports are like a job. They're like a 40-hour week like a job. They're like a 40-hour week like a job. They're like a 40-hour week job and, um, take a lot of time. job and, um, take a lot of time. job and, um, take a lot of time. » Yeah. Uh and um it just was it wasn't » Yeah. Uh and um it just was it wasn't » Yeah. Uh and um it just was it wasn't fun, you know, it wasn't fun anymore. Uh fun, you know, it wasn't fun anymore. Uh fun, you know, it wasn't fun anymore. Uh » so uh that didn't last very long. And » so uh that didn't last very long. And » so uh that didn't last very long. And being a being a being a » a pledge was um difficult, too. Being a » a pledge was um difficult, too. Being a » a pledge was um difficult, too. Being a » in a fraternity. » in a fraternity. » in a fraternity. » Oh, gotcha. Yeah. » Oh, gotcha. Yeah. » Oh, gotcha. Yeah. » And being a pledged there was a lot of » And being a pledged there was a lot of » And being a pledged there was a lot of hazing going on there uh at the time hazing going on there uh at the time hazing going on there uh at the time that I was there. that I was there. that I was there. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » In fact, » In fact, » In fact, » what did hazing look like in the 60s? » what did hazing look like in the 60s? » what did hazing look like in the 60s? Well, we started I think my pledge class Well, we started I think my pledge class Well, we started I think my pledge class was 26 was 26 was 26 young men and we finally initiated 13 young men and we finally initiated 13 young men and we finally initiated 13 because so many people quit because so many people quit because so many people quit » and um it it was pretty tough. Yeah. » and um it it was pretty tough. Yeah. » and um it it was pretty tough. Yeah. [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] » If you would compare it to something » If you would compare it to something » If you would compare it to something like basic um training in the army would like basic um training in the army would like basic um training in the army would be very Yeah. It was really it was be very Yeah. It was really it was be very Yeah. It was really it was difficult you know and being a student difficult you know and being a student difficult you know and being a student and they harassed you all the time and they harassed you all the time and they harassed you all the time and you didn't get much sleep and it was uh you didn't get much sleep and it was uh you didn't get much sleep and it was uh well it just would not go now. well it just would not go now. well it just would not go now. » No no they would not uh they wouldn't » No no they would not uh they wouldn't » No no they would not uh they wouldn't put up what was the idea behind that put up what was the idea behind that put up what was the idea behind that what » to build unity and brotherhood and » to build unity and brotherhood and » to build unity and brotherhood and » um all those things camaraderie. We're » um all those things camaraderie. We're » um all those things camaraderie. We're we almost die together now. We live we almost die together now. We live we almost die together now. We live together forever. together forever. together forever. » We um had to wait and walk to school. We » We um had to wait and walk to school. We » We um had to wait and walk to school. We had open lunch. We came back to the had open lunch. We came back to the had open lunch. We came back to the house to eat lunch every day. Um and we house to eat lunch every day. Um and we house to eat lunch every day. Um and we all waited some at a certain place and all waited some at a certain place and all waited some at a certain place and walked to the house back and you know walked to the house back and you know walked to the house back and you know back and forth. We walked to campus back and forth. We walked to campus back and forth. We walked to campus together and um we wore together and um we wore together and um we wore um plastic bibs for months um to to our um plastic bibs for months um to to our um plastic bibs for months um to to our meals when we were pledges. We we had meals when we were pledges. We we had meals when we were pledges. We we had plastic bibs, little baby bibs, you plastic bibs, little baby bibs, you plastic bibs, little baby bibs, you know. know. know. » Oh yeah. Well, we wore bibs to uh to eat » Oh yeah. Well, we wore bibs to uh to eat » Oh yeah. Well, we wore bibs to uh to eat every meal and everybody had to have a every meal and everybody had to have a every meal and everybody had to have a bib and you had to um and that was bib and you had to um and that was bib and you had to um and that was difficult uh because you know one of the strings uh because you know one of the strings uh because you know one of the strings would break or something. So, we had to would break or something. So, we had to would break or something. So, we had to find a location and it had to be the find a location and it had to be the find a location and it had to be the same. same. same. » It couldn't be. » It couldn't be. » It couldn't be. » You had to like repair the bib. » You had to like repair the bib. » You had to like repair the bib. » Yeah. Or get a new one. Find a new one. » Yeah. Or get a new one. Find a new one. » Yeah. Or get a new one. Find a new one. And we were fortunate that we that we And we were fortunate that we that we And we were fortunate that we that we found » bibs, but I kept it in my bill » bibs, but I kept it in my bill » bibs, but I kept it in my bill all the time and just pulled it out and all the time and just pulled it out and all the time and just pulled it out and put it on. put it on. put it on. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And uh we wore bibs for quite a while. » And uh we wore bibs for quite a while. » And uh we wore bibs for quite a while. » Um months, you know. » Um months, you know. » Um months, you know. So there [clears throat] was always So there [clears throat] was always So there [clears throat] was always something they u the activives really something they u the activives really something they u the activives really seemed like they really did a lot of seemed like they really did a lot of seemed like they really did a lot of hazing. And hazing. And hazing. And » yeah, [clears throat] » yeah, [clears throat] » yeah, [clears throat] » he did a lot of exercises » he did a lot of exercises » he did a lot of exercises » as part of the hazing. » as part of the hazing. » as part of the hazing. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Oh yeah. And you had to learn songs and » Oh yeah. And you had to learn songs and » Oh yeah. And you had to learn songs and beta lore and um it was um it was very beta lore and um it was um it was very beta lore and um it was um it was very difficult. Yeah. difficult. Yeah. difficult. Yeah. » For you know a young » For you know a young » For you know a young um um um » I mean your first time not being home » I mean your first time not being home » I mean your first time not being home and you know not being Yeah. and you know not being Yeah. and you know not being Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. That would be a lot. and um all my » Yeah. That would be a lot. and um all my » Yeah. That would be a lot. and um all my pledge brothers which we still are very pledge brothers which we still are very pledge brothers which we still are very close when we get together um as a group close when we get together um as a group close when we get together um as a group uh still uh and um you know enjoy each uh still uh and um you know enjoy each uh still uh and um you know enjoy each other's company um and um they were all other's company um and um they were all other's company um and um they were all very intelligent [clears throat] very intelligent [clears throat] very intelligent [clears throat] very smart um some of them quizzed out very smart um some of them quizzed out very smart um some of them quizzed out of like Capuan and of like Capuan and of like Capuan and » wow » wow » wow » and uh Kim on and just took the test and » and uh Kim on and just took the test and » and uh Kim on and just took the test and then they moved on to the next class, then they moved on to the next class, then they moved on to the next class, you know. So, u very smart u you know. So, u very smart u you know. So, u very smart u individuals. Um individuals. Um individuals. Um good guys. All of them still good guys. good guys. All of them still good guys. good guys. All of them still good guys. Dated the girls that they married as Dated the girls that they married as Dated the girls that they married as freshmen. Most of them were married the freshmen. Most of them were married the freshmen. Most of them were married the women that they were dating as freshmen. women that they were dating as freshmen. women that they were dating as freshmen. Um so I you know we we know the wives Um so I you know we we know the wives Um so I you know we we know the wives and uh we've lost um three or four um in and uh we've lost um three or four um in and uh we've lost um three or four um in that class uh that class u but we that class uh that class u but we that class uh that class u but we communicate and you know keep in touch communicate and you know keep in touch communicate and you know keep in touch and sometimes we get together u so and sometimes we get together u so and sometimes we get together u so and it's fun. Yeah. it's fun. Yeah. it's fun. Yeah. » You know talk about old times. » You know talk about old times. » You know talk about old times. » That's awesome. » That's awesome. » That's awesome. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Um so you finished did you finish at » Um so you finished did you finish at » Um so you finished did you finish at Kate? Kate? Kate? » No. » No. » No. » Okay. I um joined the National Guard and » Okay. I um joined the National Guard and » Okay. I um joined the National Guard and I I went to basic training, okay, at I I went to basic training, okay, at I I went to basic training, okay, at Fort Leonardwood and then came home and Fort Leonardwood and then came home and Fort Leonardwood and then came home and decided to finish at Witchah State. decided to finish at Witchah State. decided to finish at Witchah State. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » So, I finished at Witchah State with a » So, I finished at Witchah State with a » So, I finished at Witchah State with a degree in um education. degree in um education. degree in um education. » Oh, really? » Oh, really? » Oh, really? » Yeah. As a teacher and um I never taught » Yeah. As a teacher and um I never taught » Yeah. As a teacher and um I never taught » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » a day, but uh I had the credentials. » a day, but uh I had the credentials. » a day, but uh I had the credentials. » Do you think you would have liked being » Do you think you would have liked being » Do you think you would have liked being a teacher? M a teacher? M a teacher? M no I don't think so. Um as a student no I don't think so. Um as a student no I don't think so. Um as a student teacher um there were I I student taught teacher um there were I I student taught teacher um there were I I student taught at Heights High School. at Heights High School. at Heights High School. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » Um and there were some pretty surirly » Um and there were some pretty surirly » Um and there were some pretty surirly uh students and uh it uh it would have uh students and uh it uh it would have uh students and uh it uh it would have been tough for me to hold my temper when been tough for me to hold my temper when been tough for me to hold my temper when they said bad things to you, you know. they said bad things to you, you know. they said bad things to you, you know. And um I guess you learn to take that And um I guess you learn to take that And um I guess you learn to take that right um even back then in Witchita that right um even back then in Witchita that right um even back then in Witchita that was a problem. So was a problem. So was a problem. So » um but u yeah I could have started » um but u yeah I could have started » um but u yeah I could have started teaching starting pay for a teacher teaching starting pay for a teacher teaching starting pay for a teacher » in 1968 was $5,400 a year. $5,400 a year. $5,400 a year. » Wow. Oh, » Wow. Oh, » Wow. Oh, » and that was, you know, and people lived » and that was, you know, and people lived » and that was, you know, and people lived on that and bought homes and cars and on that and bought homes and cars and on that and bought homes and cars and » that's crazy. » that's crazy. » that's crazy. » Um, it was » Um, it was » Um, it was » that's 10x now. » that's 10x now. » that's 10x now. » Yeah. And Michelle was a teacher, of » Yeah. And Michelle was a teacher, of » Yeah. And Michelle was a teacher, of course, you know. course, you know. course, you know. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Um, so » Um, so » Um, so um anyway, but uh I got interested in um anyway, but uh I got interested in um anyway, but uh I got interested in buying and selling cattle. buying and selling cattle. buying and selling cattle. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » So I that's how I made a living was » So I that's how I made a living was » So I that's how I made a living was buying and selling cattle. Uh buying and selling cattle. Uh buying and selling cattle. Uh » so right after you finished your degree » so right after you finished your degree » so right after you finished your degree you were kind were you meddling in that you were kind were you meddling in that you were kind were you meddling in that prior? prior? prior? » Yeah I was meddling around with uh with » Yeah I was meddling around with uh with » Yeah I was meddling around with uh with um cattle of course the good thing was um cattle of course the good thing was um cattle of course the good thing was the market for the cattle market was on the market for the cattle market was on the market for the cattle market was on the rise all the time you know it just the rise all the time you know it just the rise all the time you know it just kept getting higher and higher so you kept getting higher and higher so you kept getting higher and higher so you didn't have to be a very good trader to didn't have to be a very good trader to didn't have to be a very good trader to make money because if I make money because if I make money because if I » buy it today it'll be worth more in a » buy it today it'll be worth more in a » buy it today it'll be worth more in a year. year. year. » Yeah in two weeks it's you know worth » Yeah in two weeks it's you know worth » Yeah in two weeks it's you know worth more money. Wow. more money. Wow. more money. Wow. » So, it was that was good. And and then I » So, it was that was good. And and then I » So, it was that was good. And and then I got interested in dairy cattle. And then got interested in dairy cattle. And then got interested in dairy cattle. And then I thought, well, maybe I need to be I thought, well, maybe I need to be I thought, well, maybe I need to be milking cows. So, uh, I built a dairy milking cows. So, uh, I built a dairy milking cows. So, uh, I built a dairy barn east of town and a house and, uh, barn east of town and a house and, uh, barn east of town and a house and, uh, we milked 200 head of cattle. we milked 200 head of cattle. we milked 200 head of cattle. » Really? I did not know that. » Really? I did not know that. » Really? I did not know that. » Um, and anybody » Um, and anybody » Um, and anybody » was that all done by hand? » was that all done by hand? » was that all done by hand? » No. No. And you had the Oh, yeah. » No. No. And you had the Oh, yeah. » No. No. And you had the Oh, yeah. » suction cups or whatever the pumps. » suction cups or whatever the pumps. » suction cups or whatever the pumps. » Yeah. Yeah. We had milking machines and » Yeah. Yeah. We had milking machines and » Yeah. Yeah. We had milking machines and uh we had a herring bone barn, what they uh we had a herring bone barn, what they uh we had a herring bone barn, what they call a herring bone barn. And we milk call a herring bone barn. And we milk call a herring bone barn. And we milk six cows at the time. So, it was but it six cows at the time. So, it was but it six cows at the time. So, it was but it was Anybody that knows anything about the Anybody that knows anything about the Anybody that knows anything about the dairy business would appreciate this dairy business would appreciate this dairy business would appreciate this story. I had a hundred heers that I was story. I had a hundred heers that I was story. I had a hundred heers that I was going to sell. Um, but the market going to sell. Um, but the market going to sell. Um, but the market dropped and I thought, "Oh, well, I will dropped and I thought, "Oh, well, I will dropped and I thought, "Oh, well, I will just add them to my herd." So, we freshened add them to my herd." So, we freshened add them to my herd." So, we freshened in 60 days, we freshened 100 head of in 60 days, we freshened 100 head of in 60 days, we freshened 100 head of holine heers, holine heers, holine heers, » big strong holing heers. And it was it » big strong holing heers. And it was it » big strong holing heers. And it was it was a rodeo. You know, they're wild. was a rodeo. You know, they're wild. was a rodeo. You know, they're wild. They've never been milked. They've never been milked. They've never been milked. » And some of them were mean and » And some of them were mean and » And some of them were mean and wanted to kick you. And it was uh it was wanted to kick you. And it was uh it was wanted to kick you. And it was uh it was truly a rodeo. And uh my good friend truly a rodeo. And uh my good friend truly a rodeo. And uh my good friend Gary Wilhight Gary Wilhight Gary Wilhight helped me work for me. And uh we uh we helped me work for me. And uh we uh we helped me work for me. And uh we uh we rodeoed for three or four months till we rodeoed for three or four months till we rodeoed for three or four months till we finally got them broke to me. finally got them broke to me. finally got them broke to me. » Wow. It was uh there isn't anybody in » Wow. It was uh there isn't anybody in » Wow. It was uh there isn't anybody in their right mind that would do that. their right mind that would do that. their right mind that would do that. » Well, you don't fall in that category. » Well, you don't fall in that category. So, it worked out perfect. So, it worked out perfect. So, it worked out perfect. » It worked out perfect because » It worked out perfect because » It worked out perfect because it was so crazy. it was so crazy. it was so crazy. » I just keep You keep saying rodeo and » I just keep You keep saying rodeo and » I just keep You keep saying rodeo and I'm just like picturing one of you on I'm just like picturing one of you on I'm just like picturing one of you on the back of one, the other one trying to the back of one, the other one trying to the back of one, the other one trying to milk it and hold it down. milk it and hold it down. milk it and hold it down. » You know, you're in a pit. I can't even » You know, you're in a pit. I can't even » You know, you're in a pit. I can't even picture » you're in a pit and the cattle are » you're in a pit and the cattle are » you're in a pit and the cattle are elevated and we had them down in the elevated and we had them down in the elevated and we had them down in the pit. We had to open the doors and let pit. We had to open the doors and let pit. We had to open the doors and let them out the front door and it was u them out the front door and it was u them out the front door and it was u they'd they'd back up and fall between they'd they'd back up and fall between they'd they'd back up and fall between the railing and the wash and the railing and the wash and the railing and the wash and » oh my gosh it was terrible and kicked » oh my gosh it was terrible and kicked » oh my gosh it was terrible and kicked and you know you get kicked all the time and you know you get kicked all the time and you know you get kicked all the time you know you know you know » but anyway » but anyway » but anyway » we made it. » we made it. » we made it. » You made it. » You made it. » You made it. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » So what did uh Yeah. How long did the » So what did uh Yeah. How long did the » So what did uh Yeah. How long did the dairy thing go? dairy thing go? dairy thing go? about four years I think for me and then about four years I think for me and then about four years I think for me and then um um um my I I grew up in the construction my I I grew up in the construction my I I grew up in the construction business. I ran equipment when I was business. I ran equipment when I was business. I ran equipment when I was very young and we worked in the oil very young and we worked in the oil very young and we worked in the oil field and we built ponds and waterways field and we built ponds and waterways field and we built ponds and waterways and I ran just about and I ran just about and I ran just about everything that you could think of uh as everything that you could think of uh as everything that you could think of uh as a young person. And um so but a young person. And um so but a young person. And um so but um um um my dad had a and cousin had a company my dad had a and cousin had a company my dad had a and cousin had a company and um they sold out about the time I and um they sold out about the time I and um they sold out about the time I was ready to graduate which really kind was ready to graduate which really kind was ready to graduate which really kind of threw me a curve because that's what of threw me a curve because that's what of threw me a curve because that's what I thought I was going to do I thought I was going to do I thought I was going to do » was work for them. Uh but that didn't » was work for them. Uh but that didn't » was work for them. Uh but that didn't happen. But they kept a job at the happen. But they kept a job at the happen. But they kept a job at the refinery and um my dad bought his cousin refinery and um my dad bought his cousin refinery and um my dad bought his cousin out and then he asked me to come. out and then he asked me to come. out and then he asked me to come. » But you say a job, they had like a » But you say a job, they had like a » But you say a job, they had like a contract at the refinery to handle the contract at the refinery to handle the contract at the refinery to handle the coke » and um and had two employees » and um and had two employees » and um and had two employees uh and um and then uh and um and then uh and um and then um I went to work for my dad. He said um I went to work for my dad. He said um I went to work for my dad. He said when he retired he would sell me the when he retired he would sell me the when he retired he would sell me the business. So, um, I bought the business. business. So, um, I bought the business. business. So, um, I bought the business. I still had to bid on the contract and I still had to bid on the contract and I still had to bid on the contract and get to work, but, uh, I had two get to work, but, uh, I had two get to work, but, uh, I had two employees and, uh, and then things kind employees and, uh, and then things kind employees and, uh, and then things kind of changed and I was just in the right of changed and I was just in the right of changed and I was just in the right place at the right time and, uh, place at the right time and, uh, place at the right time and, uh, everything the coke quality changed. everything the coke quality changed. everything the coke quality changed. So, things changed and there was an So, things changed and there was an So, things changed and there was an opportunity to be in the trucking opportunity to be in the trucking opportunity to be in the trucking business. And so business. And so business. And so » what was the sorry to take you back » what was the sorry to take you back » what was the sorry to take you back one step. What what was the contract out one step. What what was the contract out one step. What what was the contract out there? What what was there? What what was there? What what was the » drilling coke? » drilling coke? » drilling coke? » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » After they » After they » After they » what does that mean? » what does that mean? » what does that mean? » Um » Um » Um well they um they have a big drum well they um they have a big drum well they um they have a big drum that they make the coke in and it's a that they make the coke in and it's a that they make the coke in and it's a it's liquid. Then they quench it and it's liquid. Then they quench it and it's liquid. Then they quench it and cool it and then it turns into a solid cool it and then it turns into a solid cool it and then it turns into a solid and it looks like coal, and it looks like coal, and it looks like coal, » similar to coal. It's uh it's more » similar to coal. It's uh it's more » similar to coal. It's uh it's more porous and it's got a same use, you porous and it's got a same use, you porous and it's got a same use, you know, they use it to burn and stuff and know, they use it to burn and stuff and know, they use it to burn and stuff and um so then they use high pressure um so then they use high pressure um so then they use high pressure water to so so to speak cut the coke out water to so so to speak cut the coke out water to so so to speak cut the coke out and it fall would it would fall into a and it fall would it would fall into a and it fall would it would fall into a railroad car and then the railroad car railroad car and then the railroad car railroad car and then the railroad car then would be moved down to a staging then would be moved down to a staging then would be moved down to a staging area and we would unload that and then area and we would unload that and then area and we would unload that and then we handled it From there, we crushed it we handled it From there, we crushed it we handled it From there, we crushed it and maybe you loaded it back on an over and maybe you loaded it back on an over and maybe you loaded it back on an over the road railroad car that went to the road railroad car that went to the road railroad car that went to some, you know, some far off place, you some, you know, some far off place, you some, you know, some far off place, you know, maybe to the port or um up north know, maybe to the port or um up north know, maybe to the port or um up north um to a cement plant or um to a cement plant or um to a cement plant or » interesting » interesting » interesting » someplace, you know, u away from here. » someplace, you know, u away from here. » someplace, you know, u away from here. So, there's transportation charges on So, there's transportation charges on So, there's transportation charges on that. Um, and we did that. But like I that. Um, and we did that. But like I that. Um, and we did that. But like I said, then there was an opportunity to said, then there was an opportunity to said, then there was an opportunity to get in the trucking business. So we we get in the trucking business. So we we get in the trucking business. So we we got in the trucking business and then we got in the trucking business and then we got in the trucking business and then we um started expanding and um we had six um started expanding and um we had six um started expanding and um we had six different refineries that we worked in different refineries that we worked in different refineries that we worked in » over what region? » over what region? » over what region? » Um we had a we had an operation in » Um we had a we had an operation in » Um we had a we had an operation in Bakersville, California. Bakersville, California. Bakersville, California. » Wow. and um some in Oklahoma, Bona City, » Wow. and um some in Oklahoma, Bona City, » Wow. and um some in Oklahoma, Bona City, um Tulsa. Um we were in Coffeeville, um Tulsa. Um we were in Coffeeville, um Tulsa. Um we were in Coffeeville, McFersonen, McFersonen, McFersonen, um and um and then we worked also for um and um and then we worked also for um and um and then we worked also for the cement plants. the cement plants. the cement plants. Monarch Cement was a good customer and Monarch Cement was a good customer and Monarch Cement was a good customer and we worked for Monarch Cement in their we worked for Monarch Cement in their we worked for Monarch Cement in their quarry. Uh and uh things just kind of quarry. Uh and uh things just kind of quarry. Uh and uh things just kind of built, built, built, » you know, and things kind of fell in » you know, and things kind of fell in » you know, and things kind of fell in place and place and place and » somebody was looking out for me cuz » somebody was looking out for me cuz » somebody was looking out for me cuz » um » um » um » it was just crazy. We just grew really » it was just crazy. We just grew really » it was just crazy. We just grew really fast and uh we u um really fast and uh we u um really fast and uh we u um expanded and uh our reputation u allowed expanded and uh our reputation u allowed expanded and uh our reputation u allowed us to bid on some different work. We us to bid on some different work. We us to bid on some different work. We went to LA and bid on work in Los went to LA and bid on work in Los went to LA and bid on work in Los Angeles and Anacortis, Washington and in Angeles and Anacortis, Washington and in Angeles and Anacortis, Washington and in um New Jersey. Um we worked um for Coke um New Jersey. Um we worked um for Coke um New Jersey. Um we worked um for Coke Industries and they sent us around to Industries and they sent us around to Industries and they sent us around to different locations to do small jobs. different locations to do small jobs. different locations to do small jobs. So, we had some people that traveled and So, we had some people that traveled and So, we had some people that traveled and would uh go to different locations and would uh go to different locations and would uh go to different locations and maybe they had a pile of coke that they maybe they had a pile of coke that they maybe they had a pile of coke that they wanted sorted, sized, and transported wanted sorted, sized, and transported wanted sorted, sized, and transported someplace and someplace and someplace and » and we would go there and do that. So, » and we would go there and do that. So, » and we would go there and do that. So, wow. wow. wow. » Uh » Uh » Uh um that was our business, you know. Uh um that was our business, you know. Uh um that was our business, you know. Uh and um and um and um uh I had about 160 people that worked uh I had about 160 people that worked uh I had about 160 people that worked for me around the country and uh good people, all good people. I I I good people, all good people. I I I think that was um that was really a think that was um that was really a think that was um that was really a big factor in my success was I I hired big factor in my success was I I hired big factor in my success was I I hired good people. Um Joe Fort Meyer went to good people. Um Joe Fort Meyer went to good people. Um Joe Fort Meyer went to California and ran that operation. I California and ran that operation. I California and ran that operation. I don't you probably don't know Joe. We're don't you probably don't know Joe. We're don't you probably don't know Joe. We're [clears throat] going to his funeral [clears throat] going to his funeral [clears throat] going to his funeral tomorrow. tomorrow. tomorrow. » That's who you are. Gotcha. » That's who you are. Gotcha. » That's who you are. Gotcha. » Um and um » Um and um » Um and um uh uh uh anyway um Gary Wilhyde couldn't have anyway um Gary Wilhyde couldn't have anyway um Gary Wilhyde couldn't have done it without Gary. Gary was super done it without Gary. Gary was super done it without Gary. Gary was super friend. Uh hardworking. friend. Uh hardworking. friend. Uh hardworking. My nephew worked for me. Scott worked My nephew worked for me. Scott worked My nephew worked for me. Scott worked for me. Jerry Evansson worked for me. for me. Jerry Evansson worked for me. for me. Jerry Evansson worked for me. Um, Um, Um, we had good people [clears throat] and we had good people [clears throat] and we had good people [clears throat] and uh we had good employees that um they uh we had good employees that um they uh we had good employees that um they were my representative when they were my representative when they were my representative when they were out and they were they were good out and they were they were good out and they were they were good representatives and they worked hard and representatives and they worked hard and representatives and they worked hard and um I had a lot of respect for the people um I had a lot of respect for the people um I had a lot of respect for the people that worked for me. They they were that worked for me. They they were that worked for me. They they were really hard workers. I don't know how really hard workers. I don't know how really hard workers. I don't know how they did it. Sometimes they really I they did it. Sometimes they really I they did it. Sometimes they really I asked them to do things that were really asked them to do things that were really asked them to do things that were really difficult you know um but they really difficult you know um but they really difficult you know um but they did it. Um so I was very fortunate to did it. Um so I was very fortunate to did it. Um so I was very fortunate to have good people had good people in the have good people had good people in the have good people had good people in the office. Uh Denise Enrew worked for me office. Uh Denise Enrew worked for me office. Uh Denise Enrew worked for me for 36 years. She's still for 36 years. She's still for 36 years. She's still » working for me and does an awesome job » working for me and does an awesome job » working for me and does an awesome job and » um couldn't do what I do without her. Uh » um couldn't do what I do without her. Uh » um couldn't do what I do without her. Uh so you know it's all about the people. so you know it's all about the people. so you know it's all about the people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. » If you got good people » If you got good people » If you got good people » you can do a lot of things you know it's » you can do a lot of things you know it's » you can do a lot of things you know it's just uh it just it's just a matter of just uh it just it's just a matter of just uh it just it's just a matter of finding the good people. finding the good people. finding the good people. » Was your core business uh a lot of » Was your core business uh a lot of » Was your core business uh a lot of driving and you obviously did you have driving and you obviously did you have driving and you obviously did you have specialized equipment as well that specialized equipment as well that specialized equipment as well that » our I'd say our core business was » our I'd say our core business was » our I'd say our core business was probably the coke handling. Okay. probably the coke handling. Okay. probably the coke handling. Okay. » We weren't in the trucking business. Um » We weren't in the trucking business. Um » We weren't in the trucking business. Um we were we probably had 75 trucks or so we were we probably had 75 trucks or so we were we probably had 75 trucks or so that we ran, but um that was later that we ran, but um that was later that we ran, but um that was later that we kind of grew the trucking business. we kind of grew the trucking business. we kind of grew the trucking business. But um it the core business was we But um it the core business was we But um it the core business was we did a lot of dirt work and uh a lot did a lot of dirt work and uh a lot did a lot of dirt work and uh a lot of I'm going to call it refinery of I'm going to call it refinery of I'm going to call it refinery maintenance work uh for the refineries maintenance work uh for the refineries maintenance work uh for the refineries uh and the cement plants and uh so uh and the cement plants and uh so uh and the cement plants and uh so the construction side of the business the construction side of the business the construction side of the business was probably our core business. The the was probably our core business. The the was probably our core business. The the » How did your dad get into the coke » How did your dad get into the coke » How did your dad get into the coke handling in the first place? Did he did handling in the first place? Did he did handling in the first place? Did he did that take specialized equipment or that take specialized equipment or that take specialized equipment or knowledge or knowledge or knowledge or » um » um » um » in 1955 » in 1955 » in 1955 » they built um a coper out here uh and » they built um a coper out here uh and » they built um a coper out here uh and they he was the contractor that did all they he was the contractor that did all they he was the contractor that did all the dirt work in the refinery and they the dirt work in the refinery and they the dirt work in the refinery and they came to him and asked him if he would be came to him and asked him if he would be came to him and asked him if he would be interested in bidding on handling the interested in bidding on handling the interested in bidding on handling the coke u and So u and So u and So uh of course he said yes and they uh of course he said yes and they uh of course he said yes and they started doing that work. Uh so from 1955 started doing that work. Uh so from 1955 started doing that work. Uh so from 1955 to to to 2000 um somebody in my family was 2000 um somebody in my family was 2000 um somebody in my family was handling the coke there. And now my handling the coke there. And now my handling the coke there. And now my nephew does the same thing you know. So nephew does the same thing you know. So nephew does the same thing you know. So u he I'm very proud of him. He does a u he I'm very proud of him. He does a u he I'm very proud of him. He does a really good job at uh taking care of really good job at uh taking care of really good job at uh taking care of business. business. business. » Yeah, » that's interesting. » that's interesting. » Yeah, I've I've heard you toss that » Yeah, I've I've heard you toss that » Yeah, I've I've heard you toss that around. So, the end product of that, around. So, the end product of that, around. So, the end product of that, was it always a waste or was it always was it always a waste or was it always was it always a waste or was it always » It's a waste. » It's a waste. » It's a waste. » Okay. Did it ever serve a purpose » Okay. Did it ever serve a purpose » Okay. Did it ever serve a purpose outside of the refinery? Was there ever outside of the refinery? Was there ever outside of the refinery? Was there ever a use case or was it always a use case or was it always a use case or was it always » It's a fuel. It it uh it's a hydrocarbon » It's a fuel. It it uh it's a hydrocarbon » It's a fuel. It it uh it's a hydrocarbon and it uh it has BTU value like coal. and it uh it has BTU value like coal. and it uh it has BTU value like coal. BTU value on coal is um like BTU value on coal is um like BTU value on coal is um like 8 to 10,000 BTU per pound. 8 to 10,000 BTU per pound. 8 to 10,000 BTU per pound. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » Coke is could be 15 or 16,000 BTU pound. » Coke is could be 15 or 16,000 BTU pound. » Coke is could be 15 or 16,000 BTU pound. So it burns really hot and um you have So it burns really hot and um you have So it burns really hot and um you have to have the right metallergy to burn it to have the right metallergy to burn it to have the right metallergy to burn it or you just melt. You melt the or you just melt. You melt the or you just melt. You melt the » Yeah. You know, people would ask me, » Yeah. You know, people would ask me, » Yeah. You know, people would ask me, "Would you get me some coke? I'd like to "Would you get me some coke? I'd like to "Would you get me some coke? I'd like to put some in my fireplace." I said, put some in my fireplace." I said, put some in my fireplace." I said, "It's really hot. You got to "It's really hot. You got to "It's really hot. You got to be careful." And they'd come back and be careful." And they'd come back and be careful." And they'd come back and say, "You know, that stuff melted my say, "You know, that stuff melted my say, "You know, that stuff melted my grill in my fireplace." Was it safe to grill in my fireplace." Was it safe to grill in my fireplace." Was it safe to use in any use in any use in any » It was It just burned hot. » It was It just burned hot. » It was It just burned hot. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And it was very clean burning. You » And it was very clean burning. You » And it was very clean burning. You know, cold's like 10% ash or 12% ash and know, cold's like 10% ash or 12% ash and know, cold's like 10% ash or 12% ash and coke's like coke's like coke's like 6 or so, not even 1% ash. 6 or so, not even 1% ash. 6 or so, not even 1% ash. [clears throat] So it burns very clean. [clears throat] So it burns very clean. [clears throat] So it burns very clean. Not much left, you know. Uh Not much left, you know. Uh Not much left, you know. Uh » so uh » so uh » so uh » so in that I'm curious now. I'm » so in that I'm curious now. I'm » so in that I'm curious now. I'm trying. Sorry, I'm probably going too trying. Sorry, I'm probably going too trying. Sorry, I'm probably going too deep into this, but the Coke deep into this, but the Coke deep into this, but the Coke product, um, did you own the product, um, did you own the product, um, did you own the product after it left or were they Okay, after it left or were they Okay, after it left or were they Okay, » the refinery sold that product to » the refinery sold that product to » the refinery sold that product to brokers » and we worked for the broker. » and we worked for the broker. » and we worked for the broker. » Got it. » Got it. » Got it. » Um, after the refinery sold it to the » Um, after the refinery sold it to the » Um, after the refinery sold it to the broker. broker. broker. » That makes sense. » That makes sense. » That makes sense. » And that's who we work for. And um, and » And that's who we work for. And um, and » And that's who we work for. And um, and then they sold it and we hauled it and then they sold it and we hauled it and then they sold it and we hauled it and processed it however they wanted it. processed it however they wanted it. processed it however they wanted it. sized it, um, processed it, however they sized it, um, processed it, however they sized it, um, processed it, however they wanted it. wanted it. wanted it. » How do you size a big giant? » How do you size a big giant? » How do you size a big giant? » With a crusher. » With a crusher. » With a crusher. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » You just put it through a crusher » You just put it through a crusher » You just put it through a crusher » and you There's settings on the crusher » and you There's settings on the crusher » and you There's settings on the crusher to get it to a certain That's so cool. to get it to a certain That's so cool. to get it to a certain That's so cool. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And screens and all kinds of stuff that » And screens and all kinds of stuff that » And screens and all kinds of stuff that you can size it differently. you can size it differently. you can size it differently. » And so that's stuff your dad kind of had » And so that's stuff your dad kind of had » And so that's stuff your dad kind of had to figure out uh as far as like how to to figure out uh as far as like how to to figure out uh as far as like how to » people knew what they wanted. » people knew what they wanted. » people knew what they wanted. » Okay. And u you know it's no different » Okay. And u you know it's no different » Okay. And u you know it's no different than being um in the choir business than being um in the choir business than being um in the choir business rock and crushing rock and crushing coke rock and crushing rock and crushing coke rock and crushing rock and crushing coke and sizing it and um very much the same and sizing it and um very much the same and sizing it and um very much the same process you know process you know process you know » taking a big piece of coke or or a big » taking a big piece of coke or or a big » taking a big piece of coke or or a big rock and making it smaller. rock and making it smaller. rock and making it smaller. » Yeah. So » Yeah. So » Yeah. So » that's there's just so many things » that's there's just so many things » that's there's just so many things happening in the world that I was never happening in the world that I was never happening in the world that I was never aware of. You know what I mean? Like aware of. You know what I mean? Like aware of. You know what I mean? Like I've never really thought about how the I've never really thought about how the I've never really thought about how the rocks get smaller. I thought rocks get smaller. I thought rocks get smaller. I thought they just came out that way. they just came out that way. they just came out that way. » No, » No, » No, but uh yeah. but uh yeah. but uh yeah. » So, what was the name of the company? » So, what was the name of the company? » So, what was the name of the company? » Banks uh Construction Company, Inc. » Banks uh Construction Company, Inc. » Banks uh Construction Company, Inc. » and then the trucking was Banks » and then the trucking was Banks » and then the trucking was Banks Companies, Inc. Companies, Inc. Companies, Inc. So, um So, um So, um we we tried to keep the two separated. we we tried to keep the two separated. we we tried to keep the two separated. » Yeah. But um but they compleimemented » Yeah. But um but they compleimemented » Yeah. But um but they compleimemented each other, you know, one didn't work each other, you know, one didn't work each other, you know, one didn't work without the other. without the other. without the other. » Yeah, makes sense. » Yeah, makes sense. » Yeah, makes sense. So, um So, um So, um » I remember uh conversations with Dave » I remember uh conversations with Dave » I remember uh conversations with Dave Callaway talking about uh writing Callaway talking about uh writing Callaway talking about uh writing a policy for you and how crazy writing a policy for you and how crazy writing a policy for you and how crazy that was and complicated, you know, and that was and complicated, you know, and that was and complicated, you know, and now that you explain now that you explain now that you explain » how farreaching it was in all the » how farreaching it was in all the » how farreaching it was in all the different locations. different locations. different locations. » Dave was very instrumental in uh some of » Dave was very instrumental in uh some of » Dave was very instrumental in uh some of my success, I would say. He helped me my success, I would say. He helped me my success, I would say. He helped me with insurance and you know the with insurance and you know the with insurance and you know the employee benefit package and all those employee benefit package and all those employee benefit package and all those things. He um of course that was his things. He um of course that was his things. He um of course that was his business, business, business, » right? » right? » right? » And he made a buck or two. » And he made a buck or two. » And he made a buck or two. » Oh yeah. » Oh yeah. » Oh yeah. » But uh he um » But uh he um » But uh he um » you know » you know » you know I guess the insurance business is kind I guess the insurance business is kind I guess the insurance business is kind of mystical. Nobody really knows, you of mystical. Nobody really knows, you of mystical. Nobody really knows, you know, except the I don't know that the know, except the I don't know that the know, except the I don't know that the people that sell it know. Right. people that sell it know. Right. people that sell it know. Right. » For sure. » For sure. » For sure. But it's very complicated. But it's very complicated. But it's very complicated. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And uh there's a lot of different things » And uh there's a lot of different things » And uh there's a lot of different things you can do. Uh but we we tried to take you can do. Uh but we we tried to take you can do. Uh but we we tried to take care of our people, you know, we had um care of our people, you know, we had um care of our people, you know, we had um sick leave and we had pension plans and sick leave and we had pension plans and sick leave and we had pension plans and um we had uh health insurance. Um so he um we had uh health insurance. Um so he um we had uh health insurance. Um so he helped with that helped with that helped with that » um and was very instrumental in maybe » um and was very instrumental in maybe » um and was very instrumental in maybe helping me keep some employees, you helping me keep some employees, you helping me keep some employees, you know, long term. know, long term. know, long term. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » So » So » So and it was good. It was good. and it was good. It was good. and it was good. It was good. » Very good. U [snorts] » Very good. U [snorts] » Very good. U [snorts] but then um but then um but then um this bigger company came along and this bigger company came along and this bigger company came along and wanted to get in the coke handling wanted to get in the coke handling wanted to get in the coke handling business. So the way you do that is you business. So the way you do that is you business. So the way you do that is you buy a smaller company buy a smaller company buy a smaller company » and um » and um » and um » Were they already in it? Someone else? » Were they already in it? Someone else? » Were they already in it? Someone else? Not at all? Not at all? Not at all? » No, they didn't know anything about » No, they didn't know anything about » No, they didn't know anything about it it it » and that's why they wanted to buy » and that's why they wanted to buy » and that's why they wanted to buy my company and um so we got together, my company and um so we got together, my company and um so we got together, they made an offer. I accepted their they made an offer. I accepted their they made an offer. I accepted their offer. Uh I had to work for them for two offer. Uh I had to work for them for two offer. Uh I had to work for them for two years after I'd sold out. and I was in years after I'd sold out. and I was in years after I'd sold out. and I was in their business development group and I their business development group and I their business development group and I traveled with their sales people um to a traveled with their sales people um to a traveled with their sales people um to a lot of different places uh to try to lot of different places uh to try to lot of different places uh to try to drum up business you know um and uh I drum up business you know um and uh I drum up business you know um and uh I learned a lot um I did figure out that learned a lot um I did figure out that learned a lot um I did figure out that um we didn't do too bad we we uh you um we didn't do too bad we we uh you um we didn't do too bad we we uh you know big companies know big companies know big companies um have a difficult time of and not um have a difficult time of and not um have a difficult time of and not very sensitive to the customer's needs. very sensitive to the customer's needs. very sensitive to the customer's needs. You know, they want to bend you to You know, they want to bend you to You know, they want to bend you to » to be like what they want you to be » to be like what they want you to be » to be like what they want you to be like. like. like. » And when you're a smaller company, you » And when you're a smaller company, you » And when you're a smaller company, you can you can meet those demands and those can you can meet those demands and those can you can meet those demands and those needs and uh needs and uh needs and uh » to the uh customer, I think that's » to the uh customer, I think that's » to the uh customer, I think that's more attractive um more attractive um more attractive um » or I think it would be. But you can be » or I think it would be. But you can be » or I think it would be. But you can be too big, too big, too big, » you know, for sure. Uh, bigger is not » you know, for sure. Uh, bigger is not » you know, for sure. Uh, bigger is not always better and cheaper is not always better and cheaper is not always better and cheaper is not always better. better. better. » Mhm. » Mhm. » Mhm. » You know, as you probably have learned. » You know, as you probably have learned. » You know, as you probably have learned. » Yes. » Yes. » Yes. » Why do we always have to learn that the » Why do we always have to learn that the » Why do we always have to learn that the hard way, John? hard way, John? hard way, John? » Oh, yeah. » Oh, yeah. » Oh, yeah. » Or why do I always have to learn that » Or why do I always have to learn that » Or why do I always have to learn that the hard way? the hard way? the hard way? » Well, everybody's got to do that. » Well, everybody's got to do that. » Well, everybody's got to do that. » Yeah, that's okay. So, you sell, you » Yeah, that's okay. So, you sell, you » Yeah, that's okay. So, you sell, you stay on for two years. stay on for two years. stay on for two years. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Um, then you get » Um, then you get » Um, then you get » 2000. That was 26 years ago. » 2000. That was 26 years ago. » 2000. That was 26 years ago. » Okay. So, Okay. Yeah. I would have I » Okay. So, Okay. Yeah. I would have I » Okay. So, Okay. Yeah. I would have I wasn't even living in town at that wasn't even living in town at that wasn't even living in town at that point. I was living in Derby, Kansas. point. I was living in Derby, Kansas. point. I was living in Derby, Kansas. » Okay. So So you finished the two years » Okay. So So you finished the two years » Okay. So So you finished the two years at 2000 or you sold in 2000? at 2000 or you sold in 2000? at 2000 or you sold in 2000? » Sold in 2000. » Sold in 2000. » Sold in 2000. » In 2002. Okay. » In 2002. Okay. » In 2002. Okay. » So » So » So » then I was on my own. » then I was on my own. » then I was on my own. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. And um » Yeah. And um » Yeah. And um » I um I didn't I didn't like the stock » I um I didn't I didn't like the stock » I um I didn't I didn't like the stock market. I didn't want to invest in the market. I didn't want to invest in the market. I didn't want to invest in the stock market. So I thought that I would stock market. So I thought that I would stock market. So I thought that I would do my own loan company. And I started do my own loan company. And I started do my own loan company. And I started loaning money to people, which I thought loaning money to people, which I thought loaning money to people, which I thought that you could loan money to anybody you that you could loan money to anybody you that you could loan money to anybody you wanted to wanted to wanted to without any problem. But I without any problem. But I without any problem. But I found out that the banking commission found out that the banking commission found out that the banking commission has rules and regulations that you can't has rules and regulations that you can't has rules and regulations that you can't loan money to anybody you want to, even loan money to anybody you want to, even loan money to anybody you want to, even if it's your own money. if it's your own money. if it's your own money. » That's crazy. » That's crazy. » That's crazy. » Um, and I thought we had a good a good » Um, and I thought we had a good a good » Um, and I thought we had a good a good thing going, you know. Um, I was helping thing going, you know. Um, I was helping thing going, you know. Um, I was helping people and they were helping me and it people and they were helping me and it people and they were helping me and it was a win-win and was a win-win and was a win-win and » it looked like it was smooth sailing. » it looked like it was smooth sailing. » it looked like it was smooth sailing. Well, Well, Well, » they threw a monkey wrench in the old » they threw a monkey wrench in the old » they threw a monkey wrench in the old situation. situation. situation. » So, I didn't know there's there's a » So, I didn't know there's there's a » So, I didn't know there's there's a different version of it before the, different version of it before the, different version of it before the, » you know, the current version or the » you know, the current version or the » you know, the current version or the version I'm aware of of that. Okay. So, version I'm aware of of that. Okay. So, version I'm aware of of that. Okay. So, you were doing like personal loans. you were doing like personal loans. you were doing like personal loans. » Yeah, I was doing what they call » Yeah, I was doing what they call » Yeah, I was doing what they call consumer loans. Okay. consumer loans. Okay. consumer loans. Okay. » Which is a no no. There's all kinds of » Which is a no no. There's all kinds of » Which is a no no. There's all kinds of regulations. [clears throat] Was there regulations. [clears throat] Was there regulations. [clears throat] Was there any disciplinary action around the No, any disciplinary action around the No, any disciplinary action around the No, no, no, no, » no. Actually, um I had to um get rid of » no. Actually, um I had to um get rid of » no. Actually, um I had to um get rid of those loans as quickly as I could, which those loans as quickly as I could, which those loans as quickly as I could, which some of them I just got rid of some of them I just got rid of some of them I just got rid of [clears throat] last year. [clears throat] last year. [clears throat] last year. » Oh, wow. » Oh, wow. » Oh, wow. » Um five or six of them. But um they » Um five or six of them. But um they » Um five or six of them. But um they allowed me to do that and um we were a allowed me to do that and um we were a allowed me to do that and um we were a part of their reporting process and um part of their reporting process and um part of their reporting process and um they put up with us and it was they put up with us and it was they put up with us and it was » it was awful um the you know dealing » it was awful um the you know dealing » it was awful um the you know dealing with you know they didn't have anybody with you know they didn't have anybody with you know they didn't have anybody like us and like us and like us and » um but they dealt with us and um I I'll » um but they dealt with us and um I I'll » um but they dealt with us and um I I'll say that they were pretty easy to get say that they were pretty easy to get say that they were pretty easy to get along with. uh they could see that we along with. uh they could see that we along with. uh they could see that we didn't we weren't taking advantage of didn't we weren't taking advantage of didn't we weren't taking advantage of anybody, but they came and inspected us. anybody, but they came and inspected us. anybody, but they came and inspected us. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Usually two people came to inspect » Usually two people came to inspect » Usually two people came to inspect » six or 10 loans, you know, and spend a » six or 10 loans, you know, and spend a » six or 10 loans, you know, and spend a day or two and maybe they'd find some day or two and maybe they'd find some day or two and maybe they'd find some little something wrong and um little something wrong and um little something wrong and um » and we'd correct it and Yeah. » and we'd correct it and Yeah. » and we'd correct it and Yeah. » But it was really a pain. It's nice to » But it was really a pain. It's nice to » But it was really a pain. It's nice to not have to deal with that. not have to deal with that. not have to deal with that. » Yeah. you know. Um but uh yeah, uh that » Yeah. you know. Um but uh yeah, uh that » Yeah. you know. Um but uh yeah, uh that was a real shocker for me, you know. was a real shocker for me, you know. was a real shocker for me, you know. » I just think that's awesome that you're » I just think that's awesome that you're » I just think that's awesome that you're just like, I'm just going to do this. just like, I'm just going to do this. just like, I'm just going to do this. » Yeah. And ask for » Yeah. And ask for » Yeah. And ask forgiveness. forgiveness. forgiveness. » I said, no, you're not. You can't do » I said, no, you're not. You can't do » I said, no, you're not. You can't do this. this. this. » So, you were allowed, right, license. » So, you were allowed, right, license. » So, you were allowed, right, license. And you were allowed to do loans to And you were allowed to do loans to And you were allowed to do loans to businesses under a certain businesses under a certain businesses under a certain » Right. » Right. » Right. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » There's no regulations for that. There's » There's no regulations for that. There's » There's no regulations for that. There's zero regulation on loaning to zero regulation on loaning to zero regulation on loaning to » pretty much um to to loan to businesses. » pretty much um to to loan to businesses. » pretty much um to to loan to businesses. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » Um » Um » Um so that's what we've we've done. the so that's what we've we've done. the so that's what we've we've done. the other uh I mean there was banks that other uh I mean there was banks that other uh I mean there was banks that quit loaning money to people to for quit loaning money to people to for quit loaning money to people to for homes and stuff because it was so homes and stuff because it was so homes and stuff because it was so ridiculous and so difficult to meet ridiculous and so difficult to meet ridiculous and so difficult to meet those regulations and you almost had to those regulations and you almost had to those regulations and you almost had to have a person that was in place to deal have a person that was in place to deal have a person that was in place to deal with all the regulations. Yeah. that, with all the regulations. Yeah. that, with all the regulations. Yeah. that, you know, um, one time they had a a you know, um, one time they had a a you know, um, one time they had a a paper that came out, there were, um, paper that came out, there were, um, paper that came out, there were, um, 80 pages of new regulations that came 80 pages of new regulations that came 80 pages of new regulations that came out. [snorts] out. [snorts] out. [snorts] » I'm sure it's even bigger now. » I'm sure it's even bigger now. » I'm sure it's even bigger now. » Oh, I'm sure it is. » Oh, I'm sure it is. » Oh, I'm sure it is. Uh, but it was and if you um Uh, but it was and if you um Uh, but it was and if you um if they found out that you did something if they found out that you did something if they found out that you did something wrong, it was a $10,000 fine per wrong, it was a $10,000 fine per wrong, it was a $10,000 fine per occurrence. occurrence. occurrence. » Per incidence. Gosh. » Per incidence. Gosh. » Per incidence. Gosh. » Gosh. It was uh I you know the banks » Gosh. It was uh I you know the banks » Gosh. It was uh I you know the banks that do home loans really they have that do home loans really they have that do home loans really they have to work at it. It's really difficult uh to work at it. It's really difficult uh to work at it. It's really difficult uh to you know they got regulations that to you know they got regulations that to you know they got regulations that they have to do you know uh and um so they have to do you know uh and um so they have to do you know uh and um so » yeah. So did that ever cross your mind » yeah. So did that ever cross your mind » yeah. So did that ever cross your mind and when you saw the regulation did it and when you saw the regulation did it and when you saw the regulation did it ever cross your mind that maybe I'd like ever cross your mind that maybe I'd like ever cross your mind that maybe I'd like to start a bank? to start a bank? to start a bank? » No. » No. » No. » Never crossed your mind. Yeah. Uh they » Never crossed your mind. Yeah. Uh they » Never crossed your mind. Yeah. Uh they have lots of regulations that I would have lots of regulations that I would have lots of regulations that I would not feel comfortable with. Yeah. not feel comfortable with. Yeah. not feel comfortable with. Yeah. » You know uh and » You know uh and » You know uh and you know banks loan in other you know banks loan in other you know banks loan in other people's money people's money people's money » uh where I was loaning my own money » uh where I was loaning my own money » uh where I was loaning my own money » right » right » right » and I found it difficult to know that I » and I found it difficult to know that I » and I found it difficult to know that I couldn't loan my own money to whoever I couldn't loan my own money to whoever I couldn't loan my own money to whoever I wanted to. wanted to. wanted to. » You know that was a hard pill to » You know that was a hard pill to » You know that was a hard pill to swallow. swallow. swallow. » Right. » Right. » Right. » But they convinced me But that's the way it was. But that's the way it was. » You fighted a little bit. » You fighted a little bit. » You fighted a little bit. » I went to Topeka and there was probably » I went to Topeka and there was probably » I went to Topeka and there was probably 10 people in a room. 10 people in a room. 10 people in a room. » Oh my gosh. » Oh my gosh. » Oh my gosh. » When I got there with my attorney and my » When I got there with my attorney and my » When I got there with my attorney and my legislator um to complain about that. legislator um to complain about that. legislator um to complain about that. » So um anyway, it was a short meeting. » So um anyway, it was a short meeting. » So um anyway, it was a short meeting. » Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's awesome. That's awesome. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Uh so continue doing that. Obviously » Uh so continue doing that. Obviously » Uh so continue doing that. Obviously changed the version of Yeah. changed the version of Yeah. changed the version of Yeah. » how you did that. You also built a » how you did that. You also built a » how you did that. You also built a neighborhood in town. One that I'm aware neighborhood in town. One that I'm aware neighborhood in town. One that I'm aware of. Maybe maybe more. of. Maybe maybe more. of. Maybe maybe more. » No, just » No, just » No, just » Sweet Tree North. Yep. My in-laws are » Sweet Tree North. Yep. My in-laws are » Sweet Tree North. Yep. My in-laws are living in your Speck home now. living in your Speck home now. living in your Speck home now. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » I didn't know that was your Speck home » I didn't know that was your Speck home » I didn't know that was your Speck home at the beginning. at the beginning. at the beginning. » First home that I built. » First home that I built. » First home that I built. » That's crazy. Yeah. What a first home to » That's crazy. Yeah. What a first home to » That's crazy. Yeah. What a first home to build. build. build. » Yeah. And did you I heard you offed out » Yeah. And did you I heard you offed out » Yeah. And did you I heard you offed out of of of » I did the garage house. » I did the garage house. » I did the garage house. » We offed out of the garage. » We offed out of the garage. » We offed out of the garage. » Really? » Really? » Really? » Yeah. Till we sold it. U and uh I » Yeah. Till we sold it. U and uh I » Yeah. Till we sold it. U and uh I thought it'd be fun to do that, but um thought it'd be fun to do that, but um thought it'd be fun to do that, but um my fund meter pegged out pretty quick my fund meter pegged out pretty quick my fund meter pegged out pretty quick and it wasn't fun. It was a pain in the and it wasn't fun. It was a pain in the and it wasn't fun. It was a pain in the rear. It was it was a big hassle, you rear. It was it was a big hassle, you rear. It was it was a big hassle, you know. Uh you got lots of regulations know. Uh you got lots of regulations know. Uh you got lots of regulations again and uh um again and uh um again and uh um Joe public sometimes are can be very Joe public sometimes are can be very Joe public sometimes are can be very difficult to deal with as you well know difficult to deal with as you well know difficult to deal with as you well know [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] » being in the business that you've been » being in the business that you've been » being in the business that you've been in » they're not logical they're not » they're not logical they're not reasonable you know uh sometimes and reasonable you know uh sometimes and reasonable you know uh sometimes and makes it very difficult. Uh, so, um, I makes it very difficult. Uh, so, um, I makes it very difficult. Uh, so, um, I was done. I I I'd had enough home was done. I I I'd had enough home was done. I I I'd had enough home building. Uh, it's a tough business. building. Uh, it's a tough business. building. Uh, it's a tough business. » Yeah, » Yeah, » Yeah, » it is a very tough business. » it is a very tough business. » it is a very tough business. » Were you doing all custom there or was » Were you doing all custom there or was » Were you doing all custom there or was it? it? it? » It was, they were all spec. » It was, they were all spec. » It was, they were all spec. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » Uh, and I was way building over the, you » Uh, and I was way building over the, you » Uh, and I was way building over the, you know, way over the community. Oh, yeah. know, way over the community. Oh, yeah. know, way over the community. Oh, yeah. » No way, John. you I I wasn't building to » No way, John. you I I wasn't building to » No way, John. you I I wasn't building to to the buying public that I should have to the buying public that I should have to the buying public that I should have been building for, you know. been building for, you know. been building for, you know. » Um » Um » Um » so, um but » so, um but » so, um but » it was fun for a while. I learned a lot. » it was fun for a while. I learned a lot. » it was fun for a while. I learned a lot. Uh I have new respect for builders. Uh I have new respect for builders. Uh I have new respect for builders. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » They got a tough road to hoe. U » They got a tough road to hoe. U » They got a tough road to hoe. U » Who did you use to uh build the homes? » Who did you use to uh build the homes? » Who did you use to uh build the homes? Um, I was a general contractor. Um, I was a general contractor. Um, I was a general contractor. » You were on the first one. And then I » You were on the first one. And then I » You were on the first one. And then I decided that um maybe I should pair up decided that um maybe I should pair up decided that um maybe I should pair up with, you know, somebody that could look with, you know, somebody that could look with, you know, somebody that could look after things for me. And I um I paired after things for me. And I um I paired after things for me. And I um I paired up with Ron Hendris. up with Ron Hendris. up with Ron Hendris. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » And he's super talented. » And he's super talented. » And he's super talented. » He's a he's a great talent. » He's a he's a great talent. » He's a he's a great talent. » Built my cabinets because you told me I » Built my cabinets because you told me I » Built my cabinets because you told me I had to hire him. had to hire him. had to hire him. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » They did great. » They did great. » They did great. » Yeah. And they're good, aren't they? » Yeah. And they're good, aren't they? » Yeah. And they're good, aren't they? Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, » he does a nice job. He's very » he does a nice job. He's very » he does a nice job. He's very talented. talented. talented. » Um, » Um, » Um, » and there's a few there's a lot of Well, » and there's a few there's a lot of Well, » and there's a few there's a lot of Well, there's a lot of um good craftsman in there's a lot of um good craftsman in there's a lot of um good craftsman in Elder Y, Elder Y, Elder Y, » but if you can get them » but if you can get them » but if you can get them » That's our Yeah, they're just they're » That's our Yeah, they're just they're » That's our Yeah, they're just they're just busy because they are good. just busy because they are good. just busy because they are good. » Yeah, we had Josh Kogan on the Yeah. » Yeah, we had Josh Kogan on the Yeah. » Yeah, we had Josh Kogan on the Yeah. » podcast and he took over for » podcast and he took over for » podcast and he took over for » uh is it Bergen? Yeah, Bergen. Yeah. And » uh is it Bergen? Yeah, Bergen. Yeah. And » uh is it Bergen? Yeah, Bergen. Yeah. And uh I didn't realize he made cabinets not uh I didn't realize he made cabinets not uh I didn't realize he made cabinets not just for Bergen in high school, but he just for Bergen in high school, but he just for Bergen in high school, but he also made cabinets in college for a also made cabinets in college for a also made cabinets in college for a company over near Lawrence. company over near Lawrence. company over near Lawrence. » So he he'd been around it for a long » So he he'd been around it for a long » So he he'd been around it for a long time prior to time prior to time prior to » going and I think he's very good. » going and I think he's very good. » going and I think he's very good. » Yeah. Yeah. He's done he did a pantry » Yeah. Yeah. He's done he did a pantry » Yeah. Yeah. He's done he did a pantry for us. Probably going to do some more for us. Probably going to do some more for us. Probably going to do some more stuff and he's he's good. stuff and he's he's good. stuff and he's he's good. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » It's fun to see guys that just it just » It's fun to see guys that just it just » It's fun to see guys that just it just clicks. Yeah. You know, clicks. Yeah. You know, clicks. Yeah. You know, » Dan Ner also is a very talented » Dan Ner also is a very talented » Dan Ner also is a very talented craftsman. Uh He does really good work. craftsman. Uh He does really good work. craftsman. Uh He does really good work. Uh talented guy. He can do a lot of Uh talented guy. He can do a lot of Uh talented guy. He can do a lot of things. things. things. So they're out there. So they're out there. So they're out there. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » You know, there's a lot of good » You know, there's a lot of good » You know, there's a lot of good carpenters in the area. The problem is carpenters in the area. The problem is carpenters in the area. The problem is though, they're getting older, though, they're getting older, though, they're getting older, » right? » right? » right? » You know. » You know. » You know. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » It's hard to replicate that. I mean, » It's hard to replicate that. I mean, » It's hard to replicate that. I mean, you'll always have work. Um but it is you'll always have work. Um but it is you'll always have work. Um but it is hard to hard to hard to » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » make, you know, it's hard to grow that » make, you know, it's hard to grow that » make, you know, it's hard to grow that » in a way that's scalable. anything » in a way that's scalable. anything » in a way that's scalable. anything that's a trade. But if you like it and that's a trade. But if you like it and that's a trade. But if you like it and you charge enough, then yeah, you can you charge enough, then yeah, you can you charge enough, then yeah, you can make a good living. make a good living. make a good living. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Uh speaking about uh going big or » Uh speaking about uh going big or » Uh speaking about uh going big or going home, um talk about your going home, um talk about your going home, um talk about your restoration uh project downtown. restoration uh project downtown. restoration uh project downtown. » Yes. » Yes. » Yes. » The corner of central and Maine. » The corner of central and Maine. » The corner of central and Maine. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Did that project go over budget? » Did that project go over budget? » Did that project go over budget? » Oh, yeah. It was probably about 100% over budget, It was probably about 100% over budget, but Yeah, nice building. but Yeah, nice building. but Yeah, nice building. » It's so cool. » It's so cool. » It's so cool. » I learned a lot. Uh that's a really neat » I learned a lot. Uh that's a really neat » I learned a lot. Uh that's a really neat building, you know. Um building, you know. Um building, you know. Um » I've noticed a [snorts] lot of things » I've noticed a [snorts] lot of things » I've noticed a [snorts] lot of things happened in the 1880s. happened in the 1880s. happened in the 1880s. » There are, if you look around, there's » There are, if you look around, there's » There are, if you look around, there's all over the country, there's a lot of all over the country, there's a lot of all over the country, there's a lot of things that are going on in in the things that are going on in in the things that are going on in in the 1880s. um you know, buildings being 1880s. um you know, buildings being 1880s. um you know, buildings being built, you know, and towns being built, you know, and towns being built, you know, and towns being built and it it was a big boom. Had to have and it it was a big boom. Had to have and it it was a big boom. Had to have been cuz, you know, uh you see a lot of been cuz, you know, uh you see a lot of been cuz, you know, uh you see a lot of of things that were built and a lot of of things that were built and a lot of of things that were built and a lot of things going on in the things going on in the things going on in the » 1880s, you know. » 1880s, you know. » 1880s, you know. So, um, [clears throat] So, um, [clears throat] So, um, [clears throat] and that's when that building was built and that's when that building was built and that's when that building was built in 1886, I think, was when in 1886, I think, was when in 1886, I think, was when » it's probably pretty special to preserve » it's probably pretty special to preserve » it's probably pretty special to preserve something like that, too. something like that, too. something like that, too. » And that's what I thought, you know, and » And that's what I thought, you know, and » And that's what I thought, you know, and um it'll be there for a long time and um it'll be there for a long time and um it'll be there for a long time now. And and it looks nice and now. And and it looks nice and now. And and it looks nice and » Yeah. Yeah. And it's great. Warren Le's » Yeah. Yeah. And it's great. Warren Le's » Yeah. Yeah. And it's great. Warren Le's done a good job with it now. And done a good job with it now. And done a good job with it now. And » yeah, it looks great. » yeah, it looks great. » yeah, it looks great. » Norris designed his space, I think, in » Norris designed his space, I think, in » Norris designed his space, I think, in there. that interior. Great. there. that interior. Great. there. that interior. Great. » He did all the [clears throat] Yeah. » He did all the [clears throat] Yeah. » He did all the [clears throat] Yeah. interior design. interior design. interior design. » It's a little different. Um, » It's a little different. Um, » It's a little different. Um, » you know, it's not great big. It looks » you know, it's not great big. It looks » you know, it's not great big. It looks pretty big, pretty big, pretty big, » but there it's pretty small inside. » but there it's pretty small inside. » but there it's pretty small inside. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And um » And um » And um » yeah, those buildings uh you know, when » yeah, those buildings uh you know, when » yeah, those buildings uh you know, when downtown buildings I I think it's super downtown buildings I I think it's super downtown buildings I I think it's super weird how you have like the corner weird how you have like the corner weird how you have like the corner building, but it's not right. It's not a building, but it's not right. It's not a building, but it's not right. It's not a square. It's it's like a V, square. It's it's like a V, square. It's it's like a V, » right? And then the building next to it » right? And then the building next to it » right? And then the building next to it is another V going around that V. It's is another V going around that V. It's is another V going around that V. It's probably not the right way to describe probably not the right way to describe probably not the right way to describe it, but corners of downtowns are it, but corners of downtowns are it, but corners of downtowns are really interesting. Then when you get to really interesting. Then when you get to really interesting. Then when you get to the side, it's the side, it's the side, it's » not they're not always that way, but » not they're not always that way, but » not they're not always that way, but I've always thought those robins same I've always thought those robins same I've always thought those robins same way. Yeah. way. Yeah. way. Yeah. » Right. It wraps around specs. » Right. It wraps around specs. » Right. It wraps around specs. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Um that bank failed. Um, » Um that bank failed. Um, » Um that bank failed. Um, » and um, it was reopened and there's a » and um, it was reopened and there's a » and um, it was reopened and there's a there's a that's a facade that's on there's a that's a facade that's on there's a that's a facade that's on that. Underneath that. Underneath that. Underneath that » is brick. » is brick. » is brick. » Really? » Really? » Really? » It's a brick building. » It's a brick building. » It's a brick building. » Uh, and had » Uh, and had » Uh, and had uh arches and um it was um it's a nice uh arches and um it was um it's a nice uh arches and um it was um it's a nice looking building. Um, and they um they looking building. Um, and they um they looking building. Um, and they um they changed it. It has a really cool changed it. It has a really cool changed it. It has a really cool basement. basement. basement. uh you know maybe uh you know maybe uh you know maybe » 18 in walls or something stone built out » 18 in walls or something stone built out » 18 in walls or something stone built out of stone. It's really built you know and of stone. It's really built you know and of stone. It's really built you know and there's nothing moving there you know there's nothing moving there you know there's nothing moving there you know it's really built it's really built it's really built » um to to stand whatever you know u but » um to to stand whatever you know u but » um to to stand whatever you know u but uh uh uh it it was a fun project. It just you it it was a fun project. It just you it it was a fun project. It just you know was not a money maker by any means. know was not a money maker by any means. know was not a money maker by any means. » Yeah. Um, but we've got a nice building » Yeah. Um, but we've got a nice building » Yeah. Um, but we've got a nice building in Elorado and now in Elorado and now in Elorado and now » we do. No, I I think uh the previous » we do. No, I I think uh the previous » we do. No, I I think uh the previous director Emily Canalway said it best. director Emily Canalway said it best. director Emily Canalway said it best. She said the town needs to view that She said the town needs to view that She said the town needs to view that corner property as a donation from John corner property as a donation from John corner property as a donation from John Banks. That was a donation to downtown. Banks. That was a donation to downtown. Banks. That was a donation to downtown. » Yeah, it was. It was. » Yeah, it was. It was. » Yeah, it was. It was. » Yeah. I remember all the d like this » Yeah. I remember all the d like this » Yeah. I remember all the d like this underground utility stuff. underground utility stuff. underground utility stuff. » Oh, yeah. » Oh, yeah. » Oh, yeah. » That was crazy. There's There's a lot » That was crazy. There's There's a lot » That was crazy. There's There's a lot you did there. um you did there. um you did there. um » kind of interesting. Um » kind of interesting. Um » kind of interesting. Um the lady from um the lady from um the lady from um I don't think it was KG&, I think it was I don't think it was KG&, I think it was I don't think it was KG&, I think it was ever then, but they um they came and ever then, but they um they came and ever then, but they um they came and inspected the electricity and there was inspected the electricity and there was inspected the electricity and there was a cable that ran from the alley over to a cable that ran from the alley over to a cable that ran from the alley over to my building and the lady looked at that my building and the lady looked at that my building and the lady looked at that and she says, "Oh my gosh." She said, and she says, "Oh my gosh." She said, and she says, "Oh my gosh." She said, "That is out of code. We've got to shut "That is out of code. We've got to shut "That is out of code. We've got to shut this down and fix this. I said, "It's this down and fix this. I said, "It's this down and fix this. I said, "It's been that way for a hundred years. I been that way for a hundred years. I been that way for a hundred years. I didn't put it that way. You put it that didn't put it that way. You put it that didn't put it that way. You put it that way. way. way. » So, whatever you want to do, you let me » So, whatever you want to do, you let me » So, whatever you want to do, you let me know and we can get it done." But I know and we can get it done." But I know and we can get it done." But I said, "I didn't have anything, you know, said, "I didn't have anything, you know, said, "I didn't have anything, you know, went across all those other buildings went across all those other buildings went across all those other buildings and uh and uh and uh » anyway, it was she » anyway, it was she » anyway, it was she [snorts and clears throat] she was, you [snorts and clears throat] she was, you [snorts and clears throat] she was, you know, a Yes. She was, "Oh my gosh, know, a Yes. She was, "Oh my gosh, know, a Yes. She was, "Oh my gosh, she couldn't catch her she couldn't catch her she couldn't catch her breath." You know, this is ale. breath." You know, this is ale. breath." You know, this is ale. » You guys never come around here. We've » You guys never come around here. We've » You guys never come around here. We've been here 100 years. been here 100 years. been here 100 years. » What in the world? » What in the world? » What in the world? » So, anyway, we there were a lot of » So, anyway, we there were a lot of » So, anyway, we there were a lot of things that happened there that we things that happened there that we things that happened there that we didn't expect to happen, you know. didn't expect to happen, you know. didn't expect to happen, you know. » Yeah. Sure. » Yeah. Sure. » Yeah. Sure. » So, uh anyway, extra added expense. » So, uh anyway, extra added expense. » So, uh anyway, extra added expense. What uh take away from all the different What uh take away from all the different What uh take away from all the different things you've done? Um what did you things you've done? Um what did you things you've done? Um what did you enjoy the most in your career? enjoy the most in your career? enjoy the most in your career? » You know, it's very rewarding to um » You know, it's very rewarding to um » You know, it's very rewarding to um very rewarding to have a business that very rewarding to have a business that very rewarding to have a business that does well and I'm sure you've been does well and I'm sure you've been does well and I'm sure you've been experienced that. Uh it it's uh great experienced that. Uh it it's uh great experienced that. Uh it it's uh great satisfaction to know that um you did satisfaction to know that um you did satisfaction to know that um you did something that worked and was successful something that worked and was successful something that worked and was successful and uh I guess the refinery service and uh I guess the refinery service and uh I guess the refinery service business was um very rewarding to me. U business was um very rewarding to me. U business was um very rewarding to me. U we did well. Uh we uh grew it into we did well. Uh we uh grew it into we did well. Uh we uh grew it into um first class organization. Uh we we um first class organization. Uh we we um first class organization. Uh we we had the good people to do it. Uh it was had the good people to do it. Uh it was had the good people to do it. Uh it was uh uh uh it was a lot of work and uh I've got to it was a lot of work and uh I've got to it was a lot of work and uh I've got to got to give my you know my employees a got to give my you know my employees a got to give my you know my employees a lot of credit lot of credit lot of credit » because they really worked hard » because they really worked hard » because they really worked hard for me. Uh and we we all worked for me. Uh and we we all worked for me. Uh and we we all worked really hard. We should have had more really hard. We should have had more really hard. We should have had more management people. Uh we probably should management people. Uh we probably should management people. Uh we probably should have had a board have had a board have had a board » and u for new ideas and to grow the » and u for new ideas and to grow the » and u for new ideas and to grow the business and uh but u then I'd had to business and uh but u then I'd had to business and uh but u then I'd had to let go of some things and I'm just not let go of some things and I'm just not let go of some things and I'm just not that kind of guy. that kind of guy. that kind of guy. » I just couldn't let go, » I just couldn't let go, » I just couldn't let go, » you know. So, » you know. So, » you know. So, » um » um » um » that's good advice. » that's good advice. » that's good advice. » It it it uh came at a good time. I I was » It it it uh came at a good time. I I was » It it it uh came at a good time. I I wasted. I'd had enough, you know, and wasted. I'd had enough, you know, and wasted. I'd had enough, you know, and these people wanted to buy the business these people wanted to buy the business these people wanted to buy the business and uh so it was good. and uh so it was good. and uh so it was good. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » So, but that was probably the most » So, but that was probably the most » So, but that was probably the most rewarding. But it's all about the rewarding. But it's all about the rewarding. But it's all about the people, people, people, » you know. I miss um » you know. I miss um » you know. I miss um » miss the camaraderie. » miss the camaraderie. » miss the camaraderie. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Um um and you know, I miss the people » Um um and you know, I miss the people » Um um and you know, I miss the people doing things for you, you know. Um doing things for you, you know. Um doing things for you, you know. Um [clears throat] and uh [clears throat] and uh [clears throat] and uh but it's fun. Um met a lot of nice people. it's fun. Um met a lot of nice people. it's fun. Um met a lot of nice people. Uh you know, worked with a lot of nice Uh you know, worked with a lot of nice Uh you know, worked with a lot of nice people. Um they were just an extension people. Um they were just an extension people. Um they were just an extension of my family. You know, they become of my family. You know, they become of my family. You know, they become family. You know, when you work with family. You know, when you work with family. You know, when you work with people » every [clears throat] day. » every [clears throat] day. » every [clears throat] day. » Yeah. You kind of if you do the math, a » Yeah. You kind of if you do the math, a » Yeah. You kind of if you do the math, a lot of times you spend more time with lot of times you spend more time with lot of times you spend more time with people you work with than your own people you work with than your own people you work with than your own family. family. family. » Yeah. Oh my gosh. for sure. » Yeah. Oh my gosh. for sure. » Yeah. Oh my gosh. for sure. » Yeah. [clears throat] » Yeah. [clears throat] » Yeah. [clears throat] » So, um yeah, uh I'm going to take my hat » So, um yeah, uh I'm going to take my hat » So, um yeah, uh I'm going to take my hat off to my people. off to my people. off to my people. » It's awesome. Um uh on that same topic, » It's awesome. Um uh on that same topic, » It's awesome. Um uh on that same topic, I think with Legacy, you were very I think with Legacy, you were very I think with Legacy, you were very resistant to sit down and do this. And I resistant to sit down and do this. And I resistant to sit down and do this. And I think that says a lot to your think that says a lot to your think that says a lot to your » your character of wanting to make » your character of wanting to make » your character of wanting to make impact without wanting to be seen. impact without wanting to be seen. impact without wanting to be seen. » And » And » And » yeah, I'd rather be in the back doing my » yeah, I'd rather be in the back doing my » yeah, I'd rather be in the back doing my thing. And thing. And thing. And » yep. » yep. » yep. » Um, » Um, » Um, » and you like things being » and you like things being » and you like things being finished. You like seeing things finished. You like seeing things finished. You like seeing things accomplished. You like seeing things accomplished. You like seeing things accomplished. You like seeing things make a [clears throat] difference. And make a [clears throat] difference. And make a [clears throat] difference. And » right, » right, » right, » uh, but you don't have to have your name » uh, but you don't have to have your name » uh, but you don't have to have your name on it. Um, but I I will say just I I on it. Um, but I I will say just I I on it. Um, but I I will say just I I don't think people know don't think people know don't think people know in this town how much you've done. And in this town how much you've done. And in this town how much you've done. And and I'll say like I you know I would not and I'll say like I you know I would not and I'll say like I you know I would not be where I'm at without you taking a be where I'm at without you taking a be where I'm at without you taking a chance on me and my brother. You know I chance on me and my brother. You know I chance on me and my brother. You know I think about that back to think about that back to think about that back to » I knew you were good. » I knew you were good. » I knew you were good. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. We had good company. I I think about We had good company. I I think about We had good company. I I think about that sometimes with Charlie Green. You that sometimes with Charlie Green. You that sometimes with Charlie Green. You know I was like I wonder if Charlie know I was like I wonder if Charlie know I was like I wonder if Charlie Green wasn't in that room if that still Green wasn't in that room if that still Green wasn't in that room if that still would have gone. You know would have gone. You know would have gone. You know I know that helped a lot but I know that helped a lot but I know that helped a lot but » but yeah Charlie's uh would not be here » but yeah Charlie's uh would not be here » but yeah Charlie's uh would not be here today. We wouldn't I don't think we'd today. We wouldn't I don't think we'd today. We wouldn't I don't think we'd have an appliance store in this town uh have an appliance store in this town uh have an appliance store in this town uh if you wouldn't have if you wouldn't have if you wouldn't have » uh had your uh your program uh » uh had your uh your program uh » uh had your uh your program uh taking a huge risk on us. taking a huge risk on us. taking a huge risk on us. » Uh I I might add you know we're going to » Uh I I might add you know we're going to » Uh I I might add you know we're going to work for it and we'd done a little bit work for it and we'd done a little bit work for it and we'd done a little bit before that but before that but before that but » but still like that was the catalyst » but still like that was the catalyst » but still like that was the catalyst like you know building a cleaning like you know building a cleaning like you know building a cleaning company was nothing compared to what we company was nothing compared to what we company was nothing compared to what we were about to endeavor into in retail were about to endeavor into in retail were about to endeavor into in retail and » had to move a lot of units for that » had to move a lot of units for that » had to move a lot of units for that thing to work. I remember telling you thing to work. I remember telling you thing to work. I remember telling you that I was like, "Hey, we got to that I was like, "Hey, we got to that I was like, "Hey, we got to » we got to sell a million dollars in » we got to sell a million dollars in » we got to sell a million dollars in appliances in the first 12 months." And appliances in the first 12 months." And appliances in the first 12 months." And that hasn't been done in a long time. that hasn't been done in a long time. that hasn't been done in a long time. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » For this thing to go and uh but it it » For this thing to go and uh but it it » For this thing to go and uh but it it the other cool part is I think that the other cool part is I think that the other cool part is I think that felt like old school banking that I felt like old school banking that I felt like old school banking that I never got experience in my lifetime. never got experience in my lifetime. never got experience in my lifetime. Right. Right. Right. » Yeah. We're a little different. » Yeah. We're a little different. » Yeah. We're a little different. » Yeah. Cuz 08, right, prior to the » Yeah. Cuz 08, right, prior to the » Yeah. Cuz 08, right, prior to the » market crash, I didn't get into business » market crash, I didn't get into business » market crash, I didn't get into business till 201 would that be 2012. 2013 is till 201 would that be 2012. 2013 is till 201 would that be 2012. 2013 is when we started good to be cleaning. It when we started good to be cleaning. It when we started good to be cleaning. It was hard to get a $20,000 was hard to get a $20,000 was hard to get a $20,000 » equipment loan. Like that was really » equipment loan. Like that was really » equipment loan. Like that was really hard. hard. hard. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And uh but to be able to go in and have » And uh but to be able to go in and have » And uh but to be able to go in and have a business plan and sit down and a business plan and sit down and a business plan and sit down and » talk it out and here's the vision. Like » talk it out and here's the vision. Like » talk it out and here's the vision. Like it just it felt I was like, "Oh, this is it just it felt I was like, "Oh, this is it just it felt I was like, "Oh, this is kind of what it used to be like what I kind of what it used to be like what I kind of what it used to be like what I heard and you gave me that opportunity heard and you gave me that opportunity heard and you gave me that opportunity to say, to say, to say, » "Hey, I think we can do this." And » "Hey, I think we can do this." And » "Hey, I think we can do this." And » um there's a lot of good people that » um there's a lot of good people that » um there's a lot of good people that just need a little help. just need a little help. just need a little help. » Yeah. to, » Yeah. to, » Yeah. to, » you know, to get over the hump and you » you know, to get over the hump and you » you know, to get over the hump and you can see that they can do it. can see that they can do it. can see that they can do it. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Um and um it's good. I I I like to see » Um and um it's good. I I I like to see » Um and um it's good. I I I like to see that happen, you know. Uh that happen, you know. Uh that happen, you know. Uh » and um had a lot of people, good people » and um had a lot of people, good people » and um had a lot of people, good people that just needed a little help, you that just needed a little help, you that just needed a little help, you know, and the bank has so many know, and the bank has so many know, and the bank has so many regulations, they just can't they just regulations, they just can't they just regulations, they just can't they just can't take care of people, you know. Uh, can't take care of people, you know. Uh, can't take care of people, you know. Uh, I' I've had a lot of people come to me I' I've had a lot of people come to me I' I've had a lot of people come to me and say, you know, I'm starting a new and say, you know, I'm starting a new and say, you know, I'm starting a new business. I haven't been in business two business. I haven't been in business two business. I haven't been in business two years. The bank says I got to be in years. The bank says I got to be in years. The bank says I got to be in business two years, but I got 50% of the business two years, but I got 50% of the business two years, but I got 50% of the money that I need to do this, this, and money that I need to do this, this, and money that I need to do this, this, and this. this. this. » Yeah. 50%. Wow. We'll » Yeah. 50%. Wow. We'll » Yeah. 50%. Wow. We'll » take that any day. » take that any day. » take that any day. » We'll we'll see if we can't do something » We'll we'll see if we can't do something » We'll we'll see if we can't do something here, you know, because here, you know, because here, you know, because » you just need a little help. And » you just need a little help. And » you just need a little help. And yeah, yeah, yeah, » 50% of the money you need, you've got, » 50% of the money you need, you've got, » 50% of the money you need, you've got, you know, the bank and the bank can't, you know, the bank and the bank can't, you know, the bank and the bank can't, they just can't do it, you know, uh they just can't do it, you know, uh they just can't do it, you know, uh because of the regulations, you know, because of the regulations, you know, because of the regulations, you know, and some of them want two years of tax and some of them want two years of tax and some of them want two years of tax returns. Uh [clears throat] returns. Uh [clears throat] returns. Uh [clears throat] uh just But again, those are the banking uh just But again, those are the banking uh just But again, those are the banking regulations and their hands are tied to. regulations and their hands are tied to. regulations and their hands are tied to. » Yeah. Uh so um it's uh it's been good » Yeah. Uh so um it's uh it's been good » Yeah. Uh so um it's uh it's been good for me and it's been good for a lot of for me and it's been good for a lot of for me and it's been good for a lot of people that we've people that we've people that we've » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » been » been » been loaning money to, you know, u loaning money to, you know, u loaning money to, you know, u » Well, I know countless other stories and » Well, I know countless other stories and » Well, I know countless other stories and I've run into several. I didn't realize I've run into several. I didn't realize I've run into several. I didn't realize some of the people that uh actually even some of the people that uh actually even some of the people that uh actually even mentored me um that you had helped and mentored me um that you had helped and mentored me um that you had helped and uh you know as I found out about that uh you know as I found out about that uh you know as I found out about that later. It was just cool. I I have the later. It was just cool. I I have the later. It was just cool. I I have the privilege of driving around town and privilege of driving around town and privilege of driving around town and seeing things that are here because of seeing things that are here because of seeing things that are here because of you backing people that needed that. And you backing people that needed that. And you backing people that needed that. And that's that's that's » not to mention everything else and » not to mention everything else and » not to mention everything else and legacy that you're doing. And and I legacy that you're doing. And and I legacy that you're doing. And and I that'd be my next question. Uh what that'd be my next question. Uh what that'd be my next question. Uh what is what's the legacy you're hoping what is what's the legacy you're hoping what is what's the legacy you're hoping to leave behind? to leave behind? to leave behind? Oh, I you know, as a businessman, I Oh, I you know, as a businessman, I Oh, I you know, as a businessman, I would like to think that people would like to think that people would like to think that people would remember that I was fair remember that I was fair remember that I was fair » and um I didn't take advantage of » and um I didn't take advantage of » and um I didn't take advantage of anyone. Um which anyone. Um which anyone. Um which sometimes, you know, they there's just sometimes, you know, they there's just sometimes, you know, they there's just opportunities that you could probably opportunities that you could probably opportunities that you could probably take advantage of people. And I tried to take advantage of people. And I tried to take advantage of people. And I tried to be fair with people and uh try to help be fair with people and uh try to help be fair with people and uh try to help them best I can uh and uh them best I can uh and uh them best I can uh and uh you know treat them like I want to be you know treat them like I want to be you know treat them like I want to be treated you know and that was kind of my treated you know and that was kind of my treated you know and that was kind of my motto is motto is motto is » I want to I want to treat people like I » I want to I want to treat people like I » I want to I want to treat people like I want to be treated you know I don't want to be treated you know I don't want to be treated you know I don't want to take advantage of anyone uh so um to take advantage of anyone uh so um to take advantage of anyone uh so um I I guess that would be my legacy that I I guess that would be my legacy that I I guess that would be my legacy that uh Yeah. Fair and help. Yeah. Fair and help. » Yeah. Uh I enjoy I enjoy that. » Yeah. Uh I enjoy I enjoy that. » Yeah. Uh I enjoy I enjoy that. » I It's pretty obvious when one of my » I It's pretty obvious when one of my » I It's pretty obvious when one of my favorite things is just stopping by the favorite things is just stopping by the favorite things is just stopping by the whenever I'm at the office and whenever I'm at the office and whenever I'm at the office and you're just like and Denise same way you're just like and Denise same way you're just like and Denise same way like sit down and tell us what's going like sit down and tell us what's going like sit down and tell us what's going on. Like I I on. Like I I on. Like I I » Well, you always have so many things » Well, you always have so many things » Well, you always have so many things going on. going on. going on. » Yeah. And so out of the » Yeah. And so out of the » Yeah. And so out of the » out of the realm of what I'm thinking » out of the realm of what I'm thinking » out of the realm of what I'm thinking about, I don't even know what's going on about, I don't even know what's going on about, I don't even know what's going on out there. » Uh but you do that. » Uh but you do that. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » But yeah, that curiosity, you still have » But yeah, that curiosity, you still have » But yeah, that curiosity, you still have that curiosity and not a desire to like that curiosity and not a desire to like that curiosity and not a desire to like » fully understand it, but you are like » fully understand it, but you are like » fully understand it, but you are like » very curious about » very curious about » very curious about » everything else going on. And that's » everything else going on. And that's » everything else going on. And that's fun, too. It's fun to be able to talk fun, too. It's fun to be able to talk fun, too. It's fun to be able to talk about things that are going on that some about things that are going on that some about things that are going on that some people don't find interesting, you know, people don't find interesting, you know, people don't find interesting, you know, and uh that's kind of the once you've and uh that's kind of the once you've and uh that's kind of the once you've done it, you've built something that done it, you've built something that done it, you've built something that » like me just trying to understand what » like me just trying to understand what » like me just trying to understand what the heck you did with the Coke. the heck you did with the Coke. the heck you did with the Coke. » It's » It's » It's fun to have that uh yeah, mentorship on fun to have that uh yeah, mentorship on fun to have that uh yeah, mentorship on top of that. And um top of that. And um top of that. And um » so yeah, that means the world. and » so yeah, that means the world. and » so yeah, that means the world. and your family uh like not just yourself your family uh like not just yourself your family uh like not just yourself but your family's legacy uh in this town but your family's legacy uh in this town but your family's legacy uh in this town and what your daughters have done, what and what your daughters have done, what and what your daughters have done, what Michelle did. Um it's just we're very Michelle did. Um it's just we're very Michelle did. Um it's just we're very fortunate uh in this town to have you fortunate uh in this town to have you fortunate uh in this town to have you and your family. and your family. and your family. » They all three have a gift to work with » They all three have a gift to work with » They all three have a gift to work with children. children. children. » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. » It's very special. » It's very special. » It's very special. » Mhm. They they fill the gap you » Mhm. They they fill the gap you » Mhm. They they fill the gap you couldn't do as going to school for a couldn't do as going to school for a couldn't do as going to school for a teacher. Right. teacher. Right. teacher. Right. » Right. Right. » Right. Right. » Right. Right. » Right. » Yeah. » Yeah. » But um yeah, Michelle was very good at » But um yeah, Michelle was very good at » But um yeah, Michelle was very good at what she did and Katie's very good and what she did and Katie's very good and what she did and Katie's very good and Stacy um directed plays. She taught Stacy um directed plays. She taught Stacy um directed plays. She taught school and I think she's very good at um school and I think she's very good at um school and I think she's very good at um what she did. She's not doing that what she did. She's not doing that what she did. She's not doing that anymore, but uh they um they are theater anymore, but uh they um they are theater anymore, but uh they um they are theater people. They are theater people. And people. They are theater people. And people. They are theater people. And I've seen lots of plays and I didn't I've seen lots of plays and I didn't I've seen lots of plays and I didn't » we heard about it. Did you listen to » we heard about it. Did you listen to » we heard about it. Did you listen to Katie's podcast? Katie's podcast? Katie's podcast? » I did. » I did. » I did. » Yeah. So, we we heard all about them » Yeah. So, we we heard all about them » Yeah. So, we we heard all about them begging you for I can remember what that begging you for I can remember what that begging you for I can remember what that Broadway show was and Broadway show was and Broadway show was and » it was a lot per ticket. » it was a lot per ticket. » it was a lot per ticket. » Oh, it was ridiculous. » Oh, it was ridiculous. » Oh, it was ridiculous. » It was family. That was » It was family. That was » It was family. That was » Oh, right. » Oh, right. » Oh, right. » It was She was 10 years old. » It was She was 10 years old. » It was She was 10 years old. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » And um crazy. We were in um there » And um crazy. We were in um there » And um crazy. We were in um there weren't any tickets but I called a weren't any tickets but I called a weren't any tickets but I called a scalper and we got tickets but we paid scalper and we got tickets but we paid scalper and we got tickets but we paid » but I got scalped » but I got scalped » but I got scalped » and I got to go and then the » and I got to go and then the » and I got to go and then the next night we went to lay me. I enjoy next night we went to lay me. I enjoy next night we went to lay me. I enjoy theater but I am not going to be up on theater but I am not going to be up on theater but I am not going to be up on stage. I I enjoy it from stage. I I enjoy it from stage. I I enjoy it from » the audience. Uh and uh » the audience. Uh and uh » the audience. Uh and uh » so » so » so » well it takes both parts for theater to » well it takes both parts for theater to » well it takes both parts for theater to work. You got to have the people that work. You got to have the people that work. You got to have the people that want to be on stage and you got the want to be on stage and you got the want to be on stage and you got the people that want to watch. people that want to watch. people that want to watch. » And uh » And uh » And uh » but I think it's super cool how much you » but I think it's super cool how much you » but I think it's super cool how much you know your personality, your know your personality, your know your personality, your background, construction, everything background, construction, everything background, construction, everything doesn't say that you'd be like the best doesn't say that you'd be like the best doesn't say that you'd be like the best theater dad, you know, and you were I theater dad, you know, and you were I theater dad, you know, and you were I mean your support mean your support mean your support » I was the best theater as in I think you » I was the best theater as in I think you » I was the best theater as in I think you were you were supportive of it, you were you were supportive of it, you were you were supportive of it, you know, you were never saying no, you know, you were never saying no, you know, you were never saying no, you should do something else from whatever. should do something else from whatever. should do something else from whatever. » Have you ever watched a Shakespeare » Have you ever watched a Shakespeare » Have you ever watched a Shakespeare play? Uh yeah, play? Uh yeah, play? Uh yeah, » I have » I have » I have » Well, I didn't know what was going on, » Well, I didn't know what was going on, » Well, I didn't know what was going on, » but I was there. » but I was there. » but I was there. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Several times. » Several times. » Several times. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » So, » So, » So, um yeah, I've seen a lot of theater. um yeah, I've seen a lot of theater. um yeah, I've seen a lot of theater. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Uh that another Sorry, I do need to I » Uh that another Sorry, I do need to I » Uh that another Sorry, I do need to I know I need to respect your time. Um the know I need to respect your time. Um the know I need to respect your time. Um the being a girl dad, we have that in being a girl dad, we have that in being a girl dad, we have that in common. common. common. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Um any advice for me? » Um any advice for me? » Um any advice for me? » You you did you already did it all. um » You you did you already did it all. um » You you did you already did it all. um you know just sit back and um I you know just sit back and um I you know just sit back and um I guess support them whatever they want to guess support them whatever they want to guess support them whatever they want to do and which I know you will. Uh and I'm do and which I know you will. Uh and I'm do and which I know you will. Uh and I'm sure you've got some theatrical sure you've got some theatrical sure you've got some theatrical » it's it's happening. You know, I'd much » it's it's happening. You know, I'd much » it's it's happening. You know, I'd much prefer to go to basketball games. Uh but prefer to go to basketball games. Uh but prefer to go to basketball games. Uh but I'm I'm I'm get I'm getting get my mind I'm I'm I'm get I'm getting get my mind I'm I'm I'm get I'm getting get my mind there. there. there. » Yeah. You're upset. » Yeah. You're upset. » Yeah. You're upset. » Ready for three nights in a row. » Ready for three nights in a row. » Ready for three nights in a row. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Same performance play. five or six » Same performance play. five or six » Same performance play. five or six times, you know, uh or maybe the next times, you know, uh or maybe the next times, you know, uh or maybe the next time they do it again with a different time they do it again with a different time they do it again with a different group. Uh group. Uh group. Uh » so yeah, it's uh » so yeah, it's uh » so yeah, it's uh it's very mind expanding the whole thing it's very mind expanding the whole thing it's very mind expanding the whole thing is is is » but just be ready and just support them » but just be ready and just support them » but just be ready and just support them and uh and uh and uh » and they'll do the rest. Yeah. You know, » and they'll do the rest. Yeah. You know, » and they'll do the rest. Yeah. You know, » uh and you'll enjoy it. » uh and you'll enjoy it. » uh and you'll enjoy it. Well, I never thought I'd cry at a sixth Well, I never thought I'd cry at a sixth Well, I never thought I'd cry at a sixth grade musical performance, you know, but grade musical performance, you know, but grade musical performance, you know, but I and I didn't think I'd cry the third I and I didn't think I'd cry the third I and I didn't think I'd cry the third night. I was like, it's not going to night. I was like, it's not going to night. I was like, it's not going to happen. I did, too. Cried the happen. I did, too. Cried the happen. I did, too. Cried the third night, too. third night, too. third night, too. » I'm like, what the heck? » I'm like, what the heck? » I'm like, what the heck? » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » It's a very vulnerable thing to get up » It's a very vulnerable thing to get up » It's a very vulnerable thing to get up on stage and do all that, you know. So, on stage and do all that, you know. So, on stage and do all that, you know. So, it is that's what I tell the girls. it is that's what I tell the girls. it is that's what I tell the girls. » Michelle said when she did a play, she » Michelle said when she did a play, she » Michelle said when she did a play, she did a play Excuse me. me. » Very good. » For one of the players, » For one of the players, you know, that might have just been you know, that might have just been you know, that might have just been opening the curtain. M opening the curtain. M opening the curtain. M » um but they uh » um but they uh » um but they uh felt apart. felt apart. felt apart. » M » and um » and um um it was uh important to those people. um it was uh important to those people. um it was uh important to those people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. » To feel a part » To feel a part » To feel a part » and uh she just she always said, "I did » and uh she just she always said, "I did » and uh she just she always said, "I did the play for so and so." And you know, the play for so and so." And you know, the play for so and so." And you know, she was just maybe on stage a little bit she was just maybe on stage a little bit she was just maybe on stage a little bit and didn't do anything really, but um and didn't do anything really, but um and didn't do anything really, but um but her part, you know, and it just but her part, you know, and it just but her part, you know, and it just changed her life. Yeah. You know. changed her life. Yeah. You know. changed her life. Yeah. You know. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. Provides opportunity for purpose » Yeah. Provides opportunity for purpose » Yeah. Provides opportunity for purpose and community, and community, and community, » right? » right? » right? » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. [clears throat] » Yeah. [clears throat] » Yeah. [clears throat] » Super powerful. » Super powerful. » Super powerful. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » Sorry about that. » Sorry about that. » Sorry about that. » Don't be sorry. I'm just trying not to » Don't be sorry. I'm just trying not to » Don't be sorry. I'm just trying not to look at you because then I'm gonna cry. look at you because then I'm gonna cry. look at you because then I'm gonna cry. » Norris has already lost it over there. » Norris has already lost it over there. We're losing him. We're losing him. We're losing him. » John, you're the best. Thank you so » John, you're the best. Thank you so » John, you're the best. Thank you so much. much. much. » This was a blast. Do you have any » This was a blast. Do you have any » This was a blast. Do you have any closing words? Uh, did I miss anything closing words? Uh, did I miss anything closing words? Uh, did I miss anything you want to talk about? You're like, you want to talk about? You're like, you want to talk about? You're like, you made me talk more than I've ever wanted made me talk more than I've ever wanted made me talk more than I've ever wanted to talk. to talk. to talk. » Yeah, I um I felt pressure to be here. » Yeah, I um I felt pressure to be here. » Yeah, I um I felt pressure to be here. Um and um Um and um Um and um I I I um this is not my bag, you know. Uh I uh um this is not my bag, you know. Uh I uh um this is not my bag, you know. Uh I uh I I was very nervous about this. Uh and I I was very nervous about this. Uh and I I was very nervous about this. Uh and uh my blood pressure, my rooms tell me I uh my blood pressure, my rooms tell me I uh my blood pressure, my rooms tell me I probably had probably had probably had » Oh no. » Oh no. » Oh no. » way high blood pressure. You've ruined » way high blood pressure. You've ruined » way high blood pressure. You've ruined my score my score my score » for months. » for months. » for months. » Darn it. » Darn it. » Darn it. So, So, So, » well, it didn't show. » well, it didn't show. » well, it didn't show. » Well, » Well, » Well, » it didn't show. That's It's just This is » it didn't show. That's It's just This is » it didn't show. That's It's just This is how I imagined it would go cuz how I imagined it would go cuz how I imagined it would go cuz » Yeah. » Yeah. » Yeah. » You have a story to tell. » You have a story to tell. » You have a story to tell. » It's very You made it very comfortable. » It's very You made it very comfortable. » It's very You made it very comfortable. You did. You do good work. You did. You do good work. You did. You do good work. » Thank you. » Thank you. » Thank you. » Okay. » Okay. » Okay. » Good [clears throat] job. Appreciate » Good [clears throat] job. Appreciate » Good [clears throat] job. Appreciate you. you. you. » Yeah. Thank you. ---